Defence finally ditches XP for Windows 10

Discussion in 'other software & services' started by mood, Feb 22, 2019.

  1. Sampei Nihira

    Sampei Nihira Registered Member

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    :thumb::)

    I can drive big trucks with an unsynchronized gearbox, and even with the right hand drive, so I can shift gears with my left hand.
    When I took my driving license I took the driving test with such a vehicle.
    Today in my Country these vehicles are no longer used.

    But I am able to drive well and safely, even today, a "Lancia Ardea" that has these characteristics.
    My cousin's old vintage car.

    Similar example is to use XP.

    I understand that you young people can not fully understand these things ......
    ;)
     
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  2. guest

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    Personally, I'm not so young, unless 40+ is young to you hahaha
     
  3. Sampei Nihira

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    :)
    Compared to my age, yes.
     
  4. Pharao

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    No educated user will use Windows with the default settings out of the box, no matter if it's XP or even Win10.
    Default settings/services with their exposure for potential attack vectors are only for the average user so everything should work for him out of the box.
    Add to this the browser shipped with Windows and the .NET Framework as possible targets for new exploits and you have eliminated most of what Microsoft's patches are trying to address.

    I for instance was on Win2K many years after official support ended. No firewall (listening ports were closed through configuration) and no AV.
    Never had any kind of problems except the old hardware which didn't keep up anymore with the "modern" Web. This was also the reason for the switch to a new device and as such to Win7.
     
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    sadly, uneducated users are the vast majority of users.
     
  6. Pharao

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    At least something we can agree on. :)
     
  7. login123

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    From that stats link in post #40:
    windows xp vulnerabilities = 741 in 19 years ( these were the early years, antimalware was in its infancy, as I remember),
    windows 7 vulnerabilities = 1195 in 10 years,
    windows 10 vulnerabilities = 975 in 5 years.

    The bare bones summary above ignores factors like the type of attack, severity, difficulty of repair, etc.
    Also not considered are the malwares that compromise the TPM, or the processor itself, like Spectre & Meltdown.
    Also not considered are snoopers like your ISP, that teenager in the neighborhood with the parabolic antenna, government level snoopers, or windows built in telemetry stuff.

    Sampei Nihira's automobile comparison is a good one, imho. The bottom line for me is this: That highway out there isn't safe, but ya gotta use it. Common sense is necessary but not an absolute protection. You can drive perfectly and still get run over ... you can surf the net carefully and still get tagged.

    The posts and suggestions on this forum are well intended and very knowledgeable, but to focus only on the operating system misses the point. A multilayered and redundant security setup is the best strategy. There are plenty of examples on this forum.

    I like my old car and operating system because I know them. I know when they are making strange noises, running sluggishly, behaving oddly. And I usually know why. I can use them legally and safely, but the kids probably shouldn't. And, in fact, both are faster than the new stuff.

    That said, I have gotten my friends & family onto windows 10, simply because it seems the best of a poor lot, and I have too little time.
     
  8. digmor crusher

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    But XP is outdated now and very vulnerable because it is not being updated anymore, same thing will eventually happen to W7. I've never understood the paranoia some have to using W10.
     
  9. guest

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    For those with basic or limited knowledge about security, yes it is.
    For the others, you need nothing except maybe a LOLbins blocker.
    Had been through all stages from the noob stockpiling multiple identical mechanisms, to the wisely made multilayered security setup (which i made popular a decade ago on the "other" forum), passing by the uber-paranoid one where you will get a rain of alert for opening a simple monitoring tool.
    In any of those "periods" I was never infected, which means knowledge and safe habits is above all softs.

    Now I just enjoy my system built-in security, locking down my system and using one soft or two for testing (my little hobby) .

    I know I will probably never be infected.
     
  10. login123

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    True. But I hope that instead of paranoia it's some sort of ornery, independent thinking. And I know that XP will be untenable soon enough.

    I'm in the group with "basic or limited knowledge about security" about computers, so am very grateful to those who share their knowledge freely on forums like this. Over the years such information has allowed me to lock down XP pretty well. . . . So far.
     
  11. Brummelchen

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    wrong list, i dont see the fixed issues in your copy.

    go https://hpi-vdb.de/vulndb/search/

    and search for "windows xp sp3" (current and NOT fixed: 446 <-- this is only windows, not included internet explorer 8: 780)

    IE8 was last for XP and got not the latest updates as listed in the cve-list - anyhow dead line was very early 2016 and any program which uses the triton engine (ie) is potential vulnerable. you cant focus only windows, you need to have a look on all components.

    locking down is futile because you did not locked the vulnerabilities, eg the png vulnerability.
     
  12. imdb

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    Anyway using outdated and extremely vulnerable OS is silly, it is not like using an old car or vintage clothes. There is nothing fashion in it, you just allow yourself to be compromised easily and potentially endanger those you are in contact with.
    By doing this you are an accomplice of threat actors.
     
  14. Sampei Nihira

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    Not all the vulnerabilities that plague the most modern OS also plague XP.
    For example the vulnerability described below:


    https://msfn.org/board/topic/179918-vulnerability-in-microsoft-ctf-protocol/

    My XP doesn't need the patch :) like your PCs.
     
  15. Minimalist

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    That's true but newer OS will get a patch for vulnerability, while Windows XP won't and vulnerability will stay unpatched.
    Though IMO, If you're a regular user you don't have to worry to much.
     
  16. guest

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    Exactly, all OSes possesses undiscovered/undisclosed vulnerabilities like kernel exploits which defeats security softs and only REQUIRES a patch, modern OSes will get the fix, old ones? Just pray for your safety...
    Me? I won't pray, I just take the required precautions which is updating my OS.
     
  17. bellgamin

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    Uh-oh, there goes the country! :eek:

    I have no worries. I eat All-Bran daily, for breakfast, so I am a very regular user. :isay:
     
  18. Minimalist

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    hehe, nice to hear :)
     
  19. guest

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    Not running doesn't meant it can't be started and abused. Unless you manually block its execution (via tools or else) , if so your previous post was misleading , hence the post of @Brummelchen.
     
  20. Sampei Nihira

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    I don't know how your PCs are defended but in my pc this can't happen.

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  21. guest

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    It was not the fact that you disabled it in your pc, which is good move btw, it was about the way you wrote it, as if XP is protected from this by default, which may mislead beginners.
    To make XP safe, one have to deploy an arsenal of tools and softs.

    P. S: about my Win10ent systems, i restrict/block almost everything using using SRP, Applocker, etc... And for the fun I add one or two little softs to complete the thing.
     
  22. Sampei Nihira

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    Sampei Nihira wrote:

    Personally, I think it's clear.:)
    But I imagine that elsewhere in the world concepts are explained differently.
    This can cause misunderstanding.
    It was not my intention.:(
    Keep in mind that English is not my mother tongue.
    ;)
     
  23. bellgamin

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    @Sampei Nihira -- No doubt, he was referring to your Bachelor Of Science degree. Step 1: Click User name. Step 2: Click the "I****" button (rightmost choice). ZAPPO!
     
  24. Nightwalker

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    Not trying to pick a fight but I dont think you can call anyone arrogant here considering your posts:

    https://www.wilderssecurity.com/thr...itches-xp-for-windows-10.413744/#post-2810393


    The way you wrote can make the reader think that this vulnerability only affects modern OS and not XP and your security setup is irrelevant in this discussion.
     
  25. guest

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    My tweaked XP would have been explicit, just "my" isn't enough... Semantics... Semantics...

    Lol. Yeah the ignore button has a purpose
     
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