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Discussion in 'hardware' started by Rico, Jun 27, 2023.

  1. Rico

    Rico Registered Member

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    Hi guys,

    Today the Dell on boot handoff to the OS, I think this is saying, new machine.

    It's kinda old. hdd dead?
     

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  2. zapjb

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    I would load a Linux Live CD/DVD. On some PCs I've had to try 6 or so Live CDs before one loaded completely & everything worked. See if you can see your Windows files then. Also if the Linux CD is compatible you might want to check your speakers, mic & DVD so you can rule out weird hardware failures. If you can view your files your boot file system might need repair. Otherwise I suspect as you did hdd failure.
     
  3. Rico

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    I'll try booting from Macrium Rescue. Thanks

    Booted to Macrium 8 rescue, chose: restore > files > 0 found
     
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    Might be sufficient. But since idk MR I'd try a Linux Live CD/DVD/UFD.
     
  5. Rico

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    @zapjb You don't know slow till she breaks, & then dust off that old dinosaur of a PC.
    I had a spare new, hdd, the same size, and brand. Installed it. I'll try to get a backup set
    on the new drive.;

    The old drive, I'll try running it as a USB drive, no files = trash

    By 'live' means bootable? any live 'repair' disks suggestions?

    Rambling thru the junk I found a 3.5 floppy "Spinrite" is that still a relevant product today?

    Thanks
    Lost Clusters
     
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    Probably a silly question, but have you tried the MR Boot Repair option?
     
  7. Rico

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    @Krusty no not yet! space


    Currently new exact same, replacement drive, is seen from Macrium 8 rescue disc.

    Target drive insufficient space

    Note the pre-installed software Seagate dr, is being seen, or Mac thinks only a small space exists, on the new 2Tdrive

    I was wondering if a format of the new drive is in order, or how to get Mac rescue environment to cooperate

    Thanks
     
  8. Rico

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    @zapjb referring to post #4 'Might be...'

    The handoff to OS Win 11, did NOT complete as SSD. The SSD is associated with Intel Rapid Storage.
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    Currently I can boot to Macrium Rescue disk ver 8. But (did one time, can do it now) I navigated to Macrium E:
    chose 'backup set' target c: too small, & now cannot using rescue disc, ext hdd back to E: backupsets

    Spoke to Seagate known issues Macrum rescue, update, try image of Win11 install should work.
    If not SSD bad & old hdd good
     
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    I'm struggling with W11 myself. The tool that will bypass hardware requirements won't run on W7. Stupid, it's free & I appreciate it (Rufus). But it not working on W7 is still stupid.

    Yes a Live CD/DVD/UFD. I'd try Debian, make sure you get the Live version. DistroWatch.com It might take several distros to find one that works on your hardware.

    And a Live Distro just to see if your hdd/ssd is alive. I got confused by your last two posts.
     
  10. Rico

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    @zapjb Thanks

    With the new hdd in the machine, I tried this: dl win11 media creator. Making this old machine crashed, on verify media creator at 50%
    'not responding' task mgr. would not start. Shut down flash drive toast

    I'll try one more flash drive & Win 11 install; it's getting close to retirement for my Dell
     
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    Your old Dell probably doesn't have TPM 2.0 like my old ThinkPad.
     
  12. Rico

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    Update!

    With the new 'hdd' still installed, used another machine & 'success' I made a working win 11 install disk. Win!

    Upon install happy to see new hdd working, "install cannot continue, 'this machine does not meet the requirements to in install win11'

    Shortly after that I remembered, those old get ready, for win 11 advisories & prep
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    Any workarounds? Note that is proof IMO bad HDD, and the prep for WIN11 compliance/install, was not addressed in my version of media creator.

    I guess now, it's dl win 10, then if desired, re-make ready for 11. Bummer, but saves a buck
     
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    Update

    The old machine that crashed at 50% verify of 'win11 media creator. The crash of OS, during verify, rendered flash drive toast. IMO

    New flash drive, diff machine 'success' and the flash drive was not ruined: I made win10 media creator & installing win 10 now. This

    machine was 'Touched' by 'lost clusters & amazingly it survived' This M$ frustration box (at times), will soon be a working antique, thank

    you for the service private Dell
     
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    Hi Guys - THANK YOU, for the guidance!!!!!

    I'm typing this now, from the old resurrected Dell pc. For now I'm comfy with Win10
     
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    @zapjb - OMG Win 10 installed mos apps, yada yada all going Excellent.

    I rebooted just now re-enabled secure boot <on> it rebooted, not to win10, but the pic in post #1, I then rebooted & tried restarting withe secure boot off.

    Its something in the boot, so booting to media creator for win 10, then repair, if that works I wonder if re-enable uefi crashes os again
     
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    found uefi being set to something other than windows, checked bios > boot found

    priority 1 IPV4
    priority 2 1PV6 from boot order
    priority 3 Windows

    This explains post #1 pics regarding ipv. I tried moving windows to priority 1, and demoting the ipv's. This did not work did not boot (I'll try again, and ensure full press of F10 upon exiting. Also tried disable ipv 4 & 6.
     
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    UEFI - has ipv4&6 <internet protocol something i think> with UEFI ON Windows is third, Tried placing windows to the top priority, UEFI & windows reverted to #3 priority.

    The hdd is good, have windows install media, so if i reinstall the OS, enabling UEFI causes non boot, twice now, for Dell
     
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    So choose MBR Legacy.
     
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    So you installed Win 10 and then after install enabled UEFI? What was the reason for doing this? UEFI and BIOS/MBR are not compatible with each other so you can not interchange between them. UEFI needs a FAT based EFI partition to store its boot files, while BIOS/MBR usually just stores its boot files on the NTFS root partition C:

    Here is what I recommend:
    (For Win 10 I recommend UEFI with GPT partitioning scheme, if you PC supports it.)

    Enable UEFI from BIOS.

    Boot into the Win 10 installation through USB

    During install delete all partitions on your HDD. Create a new single partition and install Windows.

    Windows will create the necessary EFI partition during install.

    Then after this you cannot change back to old BIOS/MBR. Your PC will no longer boot.
     
  21. Rico

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    @Raza0007 @zapjb

    I'm not sure why win 11 crashed in at the start. After discovery, & chg. hdd I was in
    UEFI 'off' as I tried Macrium boot rescue disc, to restore. That restore from Mac was the reason for uefi off

    I still had uefi off, then install Win10, switching to uefi on made the os not useable

    My install was wrong, now I know & get to do t again. OK

    Since the reason for the first occurrence is not known & I did not change UEFI previously. Anything to check as far as uefi acting strange?

    Is UEFI hardware from BIOS or? BIOS update may be in order.

    Upon install of Win10,, at the 'page' showing partitons, & offers 'format', or 'new' options to choose from.

    from that win10 install page I chose "New" & let windows, figure It out? OK to choose new here or other?

    MBR Legacy is a choice in BIOS?

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    UEFI ON > at F12 boot options "Missing is boot from flash drive" check bios says boot to flash drive enabled.

    So to choose boot from flash drive, now I must be in UEFI OFF, to install Win10, so on the very next boot, change to uefi?
    seems not correct as bios says 'enabled 'uefi & usb boot Enabled. But does not show.

    Am I supposed to press a key, with UEFI on, so as to choose , boot from USBo_Oo_Oo_Oo_O??

    F9 says, "load defaults" try or don't?

    Can this have something to do with a failing CMOS battery?
     
  22. Rico

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    not sure if related, previously under win 11, worked well! BIOS updates from Dell, said it was updated, yet checking BIOS version same as old.
    the non updated ver of BIOS, occurred regardless of source of dl'd BIOS update source either: win updates or mfg.
     
  23. zapjb

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    I'm confused by your posts. Do you have TPM 2.0?
     
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    Why did you switch UEFI on! Just keep it off. It is recommend to use UEFI/GPT with Windows 10, but Windows 10 will work on BIOS/MBR just fine.

    UEFI is a replacement for BIOS, but most people still call UEFI BIOS, so it gets confusing. The thing to remember is that UEFI cannot boot from an NTFS partition, it needs a FAT based EFI partition to store its boot files.

    If there is an update available for you BIOS, please update it. Most likely the update has enhanced UEFI support for your system baked into it.

    Most likely your flash drive is NTFS, and UEFI cannot boot from NTFS, so the flash drive is not listed as a boot option. If you downloaded Windows 10 in ISO form, you can then use Rufus to burn the ISO to the flash drive. Rufus is very good at determining what your system needs, and will burn your USB flash drive in a way that it is bootable in UEFI as well as BIOS.

    You are trying to resolve too many separate issues at the same time! For now I recommend you just install Windows and make your system bootable. There is no harm in keeping UEFI off.

    After everything is working fine, then update your BIOS, you can reset your BIOS to default, hopefully the default is UEFI off, otherwise your Windows will become unbootable. Then at the end you can replace your CMOS battery.
     
  25. Rico

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    @zapjb - The old 'Dell' is running very well.

    You wrote, "I'm confused by your posts. Do you have TPM 2.0?"

    So was I, confusion leads to knowledge! Yes! Old Dell TPM2 is on & ready for Win11, says Win W.U.
     
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