Comodo removed from Softpedia

Discussion in 'privacy general' started by Acadia, Apr 26, 2009.

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  1. alex_s

    alex_s Registered Member

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    If you try to prove that Comodo is not worse that let us say phone scams, then I'm happy to agree. Comodo is not worse than the phone scams. But I'd never allow phone scams to manage my security. BTW, this is you who put Comodo in this interesting company (scams, politicians, shysters) :)
     
  2. Majorgeeks

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    For a website that posts files all day long (often at a rate of every 2 minutes) sometimes listed as "Adware" I don't see why this is any different. Oh, wait, just like their phony "100% clean" buttons, its just for the press. Often times they offer 100% clean button on products they do not even host. How can you certify a file 100% clean unless your testing it every 30 seconds then? Its all good though, you can trust them, if they ever screw you over, you can always go to Romania to sue them. I hear its nice there.

    Seriously, your new diswashing liquid is not really "now 30% more effective" either. Yawn at bad marketing and people falling for it. Yawn. I went to their page, it took me to only file number 8 so far in todays new listings to find adware #1 for today. If you want them to be effective, you should ask them to check the files for quality, price and malware\adware like about 2 other websites in the world do, and have for many years. Remove it completely, make a real stand.

    Instead, rare sites like ourselves and Snapfiles still do it the old fashioned way while many take the automated route to make buttons that say it was tested. We still like testing it ourselves, scanning is the easy part. Can't tell you how many files we reject just on ridiculous prices and quality alone. These sites remind me of Wal-Mart.. you can usually find what you want, you just don't know if it will be any good.. it usually isn't.
     

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  3. Majorgeeks

    Majorgeeks Software Specialist

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    Sadly, software does slip by on Cnet, when it does, people are getting this adware, until someone gets around to removing it. Softpedia has followed their model (for good or bad, you decide) adding in speed, efficency and overkill. I worked for Cnet, so not saying much else except you can trust these large business models about as much as any corporation. Most are here to make money, but like lawyers, you can usually find a couple good ones.

     
  4. m00nbl00d

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    More important, and as I mentioned previously, why on this Earth, after the deal with IAC, BOClean, which belongs to COMODO, no longer detected Ask.com as being spyware/adware/badware?

    I believe that says it all.
     
  5. sded

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    Well, don't know why but I think I will feel more confortable to read/discuss and be enlighten about this very subject around here than there but it nonetheless shall be amusing to see how they (melih's) will find a way to all rap it up back now, looking for their funny face at the end of the loop (EDIT - oops, no unfortunate punt intended)...
     
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  7. m00nbl00d

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    Now, this is quite funny.

    Quote from the update added to the Softpedia article

    Link: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Comodo-Software-Removed-From-Softpedia-110169.shtml

    Funny?
     
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  8. mvdu

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    Yes, I have a huge problem with it not being opt-in. I don't think toolbars should even be in security software. As far as it being buggier, to my eye at the forums and in my experience this is so.

    I'm just not sure I can trust Comodo, and if I had to, I would even pay for trust.
     
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  9. dw426

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    Can anyone with Comodo confirm that downloading the toolbar separately gets it flagged By them as malware? If so, I'm going to have a HUGE "wtf?" moment, not to mention laugh my head off at the hypocrisy.
     
  10. RejZoR

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    If it's detected as Application.AskToolbar or something definitive, i don't see any problem in that. Corporate environments often require full control.
     
  11. the Tester

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    Comodo detects the toolbar as "Unclassified Malware"?
    That's priceless!!!
    ** I uploaded the file to VT myself and you are right.
     
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  12. eXPerience

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    First of all, I want to say hello to everyone on these forums. I've always wanted to join, but never found the time. I think I have some time left now to broaden my intelligence.

    I'll tell you guys something about me, I'll even put it in a color , before the whole things starts like : hey you didn't tell that, you little ...:D
    I'm a Comodo (volenteer) Moderator


    I'm not sure if it indeed detects it indeed with that name, but :
    - it does NOT detect it's own toolbar
    - Ask toolbar IS know to be installed as a possible unwanted application, that's why they're flagging it.

    How I think about it :
    Comodo gets money when people buy something with the ASK toolbar. let's be honest, they have to make money somehow. I don't mind they do that, but they should use an opt-in installer instead of an opt-out one.
    On the other side I think Softpedia is making a mistake to. People will start to install applications without reading the EULA. Why ? Because they're used to it ! Then they're surprised so many people are infected with 'this or that' adaware/rogue

    Hey there sded, long time not seen ;), I hope you're alright.
    Well, we locked some topics about Softpedia kicking out Comodo. Now, we didn't want a flame thread or something like that and we wanted to keep a close eye on it. I'm not sure if you know, but the person that note is a pretty new Moderator, and I will change the notice a bit to make somehow less threatening :)

    Best regards to everyone

    EDIT : the topic notice is changed, thanks for bringing this up
     
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  13. Eice

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    What. The. F*CK.

    So what you're saying is that Comodo is doing users a favor by teaching them how to avoid crapware, and it's teaching them how to do that by TRYING TO FOIST CRAPWARE ON THEM?

    This has got to be one of the stupidest and most ridiculous things I've ever heard!
     
  14. eXPerience

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    o_O , where did I ever state that ? I did not say Comodo is doing people favors, I just wanted to state that Softpedia is partly responsible for people not reading the EULA and installing the toolbar in the first place

    Best regards
     
  15. sded

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    Hi eXPerience, welcome and hope you have some fun here. But remember Melih has a watcher or two here also. ;) Just seems like a little too much police state mentality-saw Red's thread too. Comodo could just defuse the whole thing if they said their contract made them do it and they would renegotiate to make their users happy, but stonewalling just leaves the mods and users hanging. Bad precedents for a company selling forthrightness and trust. But I didnt get anywhere a year ago either. Well known technique for sucking in the unwary.
     
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  16. virtumonde

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    Don't worry ,Eice is a comodo "enthusiast" :D .I think Softpedia it's the top downloading sites along Download.com so strictly for business is a bad move from Comodo.
    I'm sure they can make a great Final 4 version and make money from selling the paid version and not by using a 3rd party suspicious tool
     
  17. Eice

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    So, what, Softpedia should be more tolerant of software companies who try to sneak crapware onto people's computers?

    Here's an analogy for you: perhaps the police force needs to go easy on criminals, so people will learn to be more careful of their own safety?

    The reason people need to read the EULA is because there are dishonest companies like Comodo. If all software repositories practiced Softpedia's high standards, dishonest companies would go out of business, people wouldn't need to read EULAs and constantly watch their backs, and I for one wouldn't shed a tear to that. I've never paid much attention to software download sites before, but Softpedia's definitely got my attention. :thumb:
     
  18. m00nbl00d

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    I was already expecting that sort of reaction... But, to be fair, I was expecting COMODO mob to say "It has got to be a false positive, yes.".

    Lets not go here with semantics, the same way it happend over COMODO forum. A big damn joke.

    Lets call it as it is - COMODO AV tags Ask.com toolbar as being malware. It's even more surprising to see COMODO bundling a toolbar that considers to be malware.

    Funny, in it's very least. Lack of respect towards their users, to be serious and honest.
     
  19. eXPerience

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    Well, I can tell you they're creating a new toolbar and that they plan to integrate in instead of the normal Ask toolbar. but there seems to be a catch : the hopsurf toolbar is based on the ask toolbar :ouch:
    Let's only hope they learn how to create an installer !

    Thanks for the welcome :).
    I don't mind Melih reading my posts, I would like to keep thinking my own way ;) .
    Honestly I assume that it is because of the contract, but I can't be sure. They have made a great progress over a short time, but as I always say : they still have a long way to go.

    Best regards
     
  20. eXPerience

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    I'm going to report this toolbar as a False Positive, we'll see how they will react then

    thanks you for your patience
     
  21. Bob D

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    Wilders members, I suspect, are more knowledgable and cautious than most.
    Yet acording to the poll <5% replied "yes, always" re: reading EULA before installing.
     
  22. Eice

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    Then go use it, and enjoy. ;)
     
  23. m00nbl00d

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    I guess that it would end with the agreement made with IAC, if COMODO detected the bundled toolbar as being malware.

    I wonder what happens if IAC "hears" that COMODO detects their stand-alone toolbar as being malware. o_O

    There's nothing free, for sure. Personally, I have -and I believe no has - nothing against the inclusions of toolbars. What we are against is how they're bundled. Specially coming from a security vendor, which more than any other should make users trust them, and not be suspicious.

    People should read EULAs, yes, but, that doesn't mean that, if they don't, software vendors can abuse that very same fact, and hope the users blindly install crap. Or does it mean? Enlight me.

    How exactly did Softpedia kick out COMODO? Wasn't it the other way around? COMODO trying to kick out Softpedia, by telling them to remove the tag adware?

    I do agree with COMODO. Such tags should be removed and be renamed/re-branded abuseware. It would be more appropriate, for they're abusing and hopping users don't read the EULA, nor what else is going to be installed.

    Regards
     
  24. m00nbl00d

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    ssj100, I am not the one classifying Ask.com toolbar as being malware. COMODO is.

    That's a big irony, considering they bundle it with CIS, and in this case not detected as nothing. Irony, my friend.


    Regards
     
  25. m00nbl00d

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    Its like my parents always said - Don't like the soup? Eat it anyway! ;)
     
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