Challenge to Symantec from Comodo CEO!

You have to admit Comodo has a history of over promising. There was the "best Internet Suite in a year" promise. As soon as CIS5 was released they now claim there is something in the hopper that will guarantee them the best detection rates. That would be fantastic, but I am a little skeptical. Not to mention I would rather they focus on making the program usable for more people.

If the OP did not want an open discussion, he should have just left this to be discussed on the Comodo forums. But on a neutral forum, you are going to get both sides.

 

And people called them out for it. It's just the same thing happening to Comodo.

The thing about Norton is that, while it used to be bloatware, it's more or less maintained a good track record at detection throughout. They didn't sell SSL certificates to malware companies, nor did they have a pompous, birdbrained buffoon of a CEO who holds delusions of being the beloved superhero of the comp sec community, practically seized every opportunity to make a clown out of himself, and destroyed BOClean and practically ruined Kevin with his amusing combination of greed and incompetence. That reputable AV professionals from other vendors view Comodo as a pariah and want nothing to do with Comodo employees, both past and current, tells you all you need to know.

All in all, it's just hard sometimes to pass up the entertainment of poking fun at a target who's literally begging for it anyway.

 

The video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJuLCEsLoBY really highlights the hugh difference between Comodo and Norton.

With Comodo the user has to "Allow/Deny" EVERY single detection. They basically put the onus on the user to decide. What is the point of such a product. Thats what you get when you get a free product.. its free, but then thats because you are making the decisions !!

I sat through through Part 1 and 2 of the above video, by then I knew that Comodo was a load of crap and has ways to go before it can even remotely compete with Norton in the real world where users dont know how to answer to cryptic prompts.

Part I

the first Test.. Comodo Alert and asked the user "What do you want to do"
The second test .. comodo sandboxed and popped up this weird alert ".. exe" has execuded shell code
The third test - another alert to Clean or Ignore..
the 4th test - the infection went through
the 5th test - it alert and again asked to sandbox.
the 5th test - it prompts again

Does the average user even know what the hell is a Sandbox ?

Part II

Despite all their prompting, Comodo still let more stuff through. Amazing.

Melih can take his Comodo and go flush it down the commode.
I hate these kinds of baseless challenges. Macs are unhackable. geez!

 

Is this hateful and malicious?: I tried Comodo software, it made a mess of my computer and I had to uninstall it. And whenever the head of Comodo does something that I happen to hear about, it is invariably another immature drama. I am sharing my personal experience, just as lordraidon is sharing his, this is what happens on Wilders isn't it? I didn't read the TOS where it said "If you can't say something positive about the software, don't say anything at all."

As far as hidden agenda, I don't know how much more open things can be here. Some of us have had bad experiences, some think Comodo is pretty great stuff. I don't begrudge guest having his say, but the whole picture needs to be out there for those wandering through just looking for a little light on the subject.

And I hope this thread doesn't get locked. Seems pretty informative so far.

 

I respect the Comodo users for helping others, including on this board and theirs. I'm not getting personal, just some general comments.

I don't understand Melih;s comments about making other AVs lose revenue, taking away 'their revenue', seems to bring him happiness? Some of these AVs don't have another income stream. Comodo obviously does, that's why they can afford to produce a free product.

We pay for our laptops, our PCs, we pay for programs like photoshop, we pay for the electricity powering our pcs, why not pay for a program protecting our valuable documents and personal information?

Besides, plenty of room for others. Other AVs are run by people who are employed, and have jobs. This isn't malware cyber warfare where everyone else must be beaten.

I am looking forward to seeing Comodo improve, I will try it again soon, but the fact remains, every Comodo user here is most likely a skilled user with PCs. Us being on this board puts us above the average user. Those defending a product saying it is easy to us, the fact we're defending saying it's easy to use, means in reality, grandma and grandpa, along with cousin jethro will not find it easy to use.

You're never reading anyone saying Norton is tough to use, so noone has to defend Symantec on that front. Comodo improves its ease of use, as others mentioned, then it's a competitor. Currently, Symantec is on top. It used to be as slow as a wounded dog, but it's on top again.

For technical users, Comodo is a top piece of software. For average users that struggle to copy and paste a file, no.

I agree with Symantec's comments free isn't enough. Avast free, for example, is an exceptional program, but if it is all someone needs, why do they encourage users to upgrade to the paid version with firewall and other features? Why is MBAM recommended on so many forums where people run AVG, Avira, Avast and MSE and others? Point is, one free program is not enough. If you have a free AV, and you're an average user who doesn't have much knowledge with security, you'll need another free program, Hitman Pro scan on startup, CureIT once a week, MBAM once a week, superantispyware, a free firewall in use and so on.

I don't think Symantec was saying a free setup can't be as powerful, as someone running MSE, MBAM, sandboxie, online armor, has one smoking defense setup, I think they were implying a free setup many people rely on, 'yeah, installed AVG, I'm fine!' isn't enough. And I agree with them 100 per cent. So too should this whole forum, we always recommend running more than one program, free or not.

Don't get me wrong, many users have one free program running and never have a problem. All depends on the user.

 

I just went back for a tour of the Comodo forums. Very interesting and nostalgic trip, I must say. During late 2008 and early 2009, things like Avira/ESET-like heuristics, Kaspersky-like detection, and 1-hour turnaround time for new samples were promised. The loyal Comodo masses were whipped into a religious, ecstatic frenzy.

Today we have an antivirus that hits ~60% detection on a good day, no heuristics whatsoever to speak of, false positives all over the place, and Melih reduced to barking at Symantec to make up for his product's abysmal failure. It still boggles my mind how the Comodo believers could've ever fell for Melih's fairy tales of a comprehensive whitelist when Comodo was struggling to build a competent blacklist, with the ratio of good to bad binaries in circulation probably numbering somewhere around a few hundred to one.

Good times, good laughs. I probably should visit the Comodo forums more often.

 

You and I are different and I'm proud of being myself and not like somebody else.

If you find amusing bullying somebody just because he/she is “begging” for it so be it. It's your call.

I signed up here two years ago because of some fiend that happens to be a savvy computer user recommended me this forum to learn more about computers.

Ever since I have seen here that so many threads end up locked because some trivial things that could've been handled with just a little bit of politeness. I think that the majority of us here are over 18 years old and should behave with some sort of civility.

There is a possibility that the Comodo CEO is out of touch with his software users. I don't know for sure since I have never used his software before and I do not plan to use it in the foreseeable future. But, if that is the case and he is being arrogant the worst punishment we can give him is not endorsing his software, plain and simply. Why start an argument that is only to lead to a locking thread? Leave the OP and the very few Comodo users just go in circles until they get nowhere and ended up posting because of tiredness. But, you can't...can you? You are the ones who keep making this whole thread bigger because you need to “poke some fun” at someone because he/she begged for it. What a nice justification...

I'm more than happy with ESET NOD32 and Windows Firewall on Windows 7 plus Firefox + NoScript and Sanboxie. I don't think I need something else but COMMON SENSE to not get infected by a Trojan Horse.


Well, have fun by keep on doing whatever you are doing if that is of personal gratification to you.


Regards,


Carlos

 

Well, have fun by keeping on clicking on this thread, reading it, and continually moaning about it if that is of personal gratification to you.

 

Here is a little review about the usability of CIS v5 for those interested.

-http://www.youtube.com/user/languy99#p/u/1/Dj3KgcIhtdg-

PS: People stop wasting your time with this challenge, nothing you say will change anything for Comodo or Symantec.

 

If you happen to visit the COMODO's web page you are offered :

Best Antivirus on the Market. Guaranteed.
Be Virus Free. Breakthrough Defense+ Technology Stops All Viruses. 100%

Then they offer 500 $ guarantee.


COMODO do have a free product but have reached the Market where it is all about money , clients , market share , etc. They can't survive unless they have some revenue from something (being it antivirus/antimalware or something else) .

Their seems to be like an aggressive religion - strong fans , strong promises on the company web site

This all have nothing with the free vs paid . It is all about COMODO as a company vs its competitos. Linux is free and community based , nothing else is.

 

THANK YOU. Why do people feel the need to keep coming into threads they dislike to remind others how much they dislike it? The few of us complaining about Commode...I mean Comodo and its supposed CEO (I say that because he doesn't act like one), HAVE tried the products, and, with the exception of the firewall and D+, know good and well the rest of the crap they throw out isn't worth even being free. So, if you don't like the heat, stay out of the kitchen. I say what I say because I've had a LOT more than just one experience with everything Comodo, and everything they've put out can screw up a system in the wrong hands or screw up a system even in the right hands. So, again, stop complaining about people "groaning" about their bad experiences and the CEO's kiddie behavior. Especially don't do it when even YOU haven't tried their products, Zyrtec.

 

I am really wasting my time now because I have woken up too early and I have nothing to do , just time need to passes so I go to work Just losing time here

 

I think you've pretty well nailed it on this issue.
I submit the following exhibit as "evidence" of the "culture clash" between happy CIS users and "average" users. Not good vs evil, or right vs wrong, just different ways of looking at the PC security landscape.

Contrast the title with the suggested procedure here.
http://forums.comodo.com/install-se...-way-cis-5x-t61645.0.html;msg434203#msg434203

 

Good, enjoy yourself then

In reality, I really like these threads where the Comodo fanboys and haters clash together. It's more intense than the action movies.lol

Now to get things more interesting, I hope Symantec will sponsor another independent Denis Lab test to show which is better paid suites or combinations of free products.

 

I think Symantec would be wasting their money. Those youtube videos shows pretty clearly what the average user would have to deal with when running Comodo.

Do you think this is a virus ? Yes/No

Do you think I should sandbox ? yes/no

Do you think you should flush me down the Commode ? Yes/No Yes

 

WOW ! So, you try everything that is released in the “software universe”, JUST EVERYTHING !

I'm kind of conservative when it comes to software and I don't try on my PCs/laptops everything I find at download sites [ download.com, majorgeeks, betanews, softpedia, filehippo, etc.]. Being like this has saved me a lot of headaches and Windows re-installs [ although, I always have an image of my PCs backed up on portable HDDs just in case]. I think that trying up everything is being pretty aggressive.

Even Norton and McAfee that have been on the market long enough to have a gained reputation sometimes have screwed up with virus definitions that have deleted critical Windows files that have rendered computers useless.
And, that is even more critical when it affects BUSINESS users. McAfee shut down our computers back in April when it incorrectly flagged a critical system file as malware. So did Symantec 2 years ago with my previous employer.

No product is free of bugs but I'd rather test something I feel comfortable with than something I don't know so well and since Comodo hasn't been on business long enough I would be skeptic about trying its products but it's good to learn about how they work and what are they doing to improve them over time. I never know if I may need to make a switch in the future and that's why I like to learn [ by reading about others' experiences ] so I can make informed decisions in the future.

At work we recently were offered a 50% of discount if we dumped our AV solution [ McAfee VirusScan Enterprise 8.7i ] for Vipre but our IT Dept. wouldn't want to take the risk to stop using something that is already known [ even with bugs ] to pull the trigger with something that might risk the stability of nearly 5,000 PCs .

How long has Comodo been on the market? 5 years? 7 years? Could somebody enlighten me up, please? Those guys are new to the software universe and whatever they are trying to release to the market has to be taken with a grain of salt. If you want to test Comodo, do so but, do it on a spare PC [ if you got one ] or a Virtual Machine where you have nothing to lose. Don't do it on your regular PC because if something goes wrong [ as has actually happened ] you are going to be mad, angry and, your anger is going to cloud any unbiased judgment you can make and is going cause you to prejudice. Your judgment will not be objective. Another option is to go to Comodo forums [ they should have them, right?] and report bugs. If you feel that your suggestions and complaints are not being heard there, then that kind of people don't deserve to have their software running on your computer. Just move on and use something else and ignore them.

If you are here, at WILDERS is because you are smarter than the average computer user and you know well when somebody is telling the truth and when is making things up. If that is the case, with Comodo and their software is just a storm in a teacup, it will fade away by itself. On the contrary, if they are working by heart to improve things you will see the results in the end. But as I said before, give those guys the benefit of the doubt. Time will tell if they are lying or not. Many minor software companies in the past 10 years have come and have gone in the darkness and, if Comodo is just one of those, history will repeat itself.

I don't see the necessity of being sarcastic or “puking fun” at them because you only demote yourself to their level and I think that's not what you want do do...right?


Thanks,


Carlos

 

Yes I totally agree with you but you should look at the bigger picture(this is not just about Comodo).

The fact is that in all dynamic tests carried out and particularly those from Denis Labs, Symantec has crushed all its competitors be it free or paid.

However some people still believe that a combination of free products can provide as much or even better protection than a paid suite like NIS without compromising usability, this is why we need another test so that Symantec can confirm its supremacy.

 

DW426,


If you were paying more attention to serious software reviews over the Internet [ Not, I'm not referring to the ones done by PCMag's NEIL J. RUBENKING ] you would think twice before taking the plunge with every piece of software you come across with.


http://www.maximumpc.com/article/reviews/comodo_internet_security_pro

http://www.brighthub.com/computing/smb-security/reviews/31876.aspx


Carlos

 

I'm not sure where I stated I've tried everything in the "software universe". I'm pretty sure my post stated I was referring to Comodo. In any case, give them the benefit of the doubt? The company who, more times than I'm willing to count right now, has pulled back SECOND AND THIRD beta releases due to people flooding them with complaints of trashed systems and other nightmares? A company that releases to the PUBLIC, betas and *laughs to himself*, "final releases" that are ALPHA in quality? A company who, when enough people start complaining loudly on their forums and try to show them flaws in implementations, lock threads? A company whose CEO makes promise and "guarantee" after promise and guarantee, only to come through maybe once every blue moon (if you don't know what that is, it's rare, trust me)?

You want people to give them the benefit of the doubt? It must be nice to be that trusting of someone, let alone a company. I wish you luck.

 

READ my posts again, please. Thanks.

 

If you are smart enough and, I strongly believe you are, it wouldn't be risky to assume that you have stopped using that software long time ago. Am I right?

Then, why to continue with this futile crusade? They didn't force you at GUNPOINT to use their software. It was YOUR decision. You suffered the consequences and vented your ire and, you are right to be mad, angry or whatever but, that's all about. Please, move on.

If my wife was cheating on me and I latter realize she was betraying my trust behind my back I would dump her and move on. She wouldn't deserve me. Period... There are more fishes in the sea and, likewise there is more free and GOOD software out there.

I understand your frustration but if that has been Comodo's style of management and business practice, you think they are going to change it overnight because of the fact that 15, 20 or more users at Wilders keep ranting about it? I doubt it.

If your computers have been trashed by Comodo software why not better start a CLASS ACTION against Comodo's CEO. I bet they are going a get away with it because I'm sure that all companies that make software have a disclaimer in their License Agreement stating that if something goes wrong while you are using their software on your PCs they are not liable for it. Even Microsoft claims the same with Windows.


Thanks,



CARLOS

 

Who's on a crusade, Zyrtec? I simply joined in the discussion and spoke my peace about the CEO, who, quite literally based on fact and not just opinion, can't release products that work properly or don't screw things up, let alone "challenge" a company like Symantec. Comodo has to change the quality control before they can make the claims they do. That's a perfectly relevant, factual statement for me to make. If Melih and Comodo didn't have the lack of quality, you wouldn't have to see these "rants" there wouldn't be any. Whether you enjoying seeing them or not, these rants in this thread are very much relevant to the discussion, as Comodo is making challenges to well known, trustworthy companies. By the way, you must not read many threads here or at Comodos own forums, as you would see more than "15, 20 users at Wilders" making these complaints.

I don't need to defend my opinions or statements to anyone though, so I consider our back and forth to be finished. Have a good one.

 

CIS doesn't work properly in VirtualBox.

Yep, if you're a brainwashed/clueless user who clicks on every link he gets in front of eyes go buy NIS and rely on it to think for you.
Otherwise go and enjoy free CIS.

 

+1
Some folks here simply just wont admit that their paid product (read Norton pls) is by far not better than CIS.Accept this,and move on people.
It would be really interesting to see both products put on some real professional tests.Yes,Symantec is a giant...but remember about David and Goliath's story...

 

Of course everybody here is able to understand what is a sandbox, how Comodo works, and how Comodo sandbox is different from Sandboxie.

Lets see what happens when a complete noob uses Comodo and its sandbox without taking any decision.

1. He donwload a file from internet, this file is unknown to Comodo.
2. He execute the file, the file is checked by all the detetion technologies cloud and local nothing is found and the program is automatically ran into the sandbox, the noob user uses the programs, the file is automatically reported to Comodo LAbs.
3 He execute the file again the file is executed inside the sandbox automatically and he uses the software.
4 He execute the file again the file is executed inside the sandbox automatically and he uses the software.
...
5 A few days later Comodo Labs declares the file safe, in the next execution of the file the file is checked in cloud, move automatically to trusted files and will be never executed in the sandbox.

where is the problem?

Do you know that you can run any program inside the sandbox to know if is safe or not? You can see the report of D+ (what the app does in the system) when the app is inside the sandbox. But this is for average/advanced users.