Discussion in 'other security issues & news' started by Pilli, Jul 14, 2003.

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  1. Pilli

    Pilli Registered Member

    Feb 13, 2002
    Hampshire UK
    A poll would be far to crass for this subject :rolleyes:
    Does bouncing SPAM serve any purpose? - Or, if the mail is sitting on the server, is it a futile effort as it has been accepted by your server even though you may not have received it to your in box?
    I use Mailwasher but rarely use the bounce facility as all it does, in most cases, is "double" the bandwidth useage as there is usually no valid return path.

  2. LowWaterMark

    LowWaterMark Administrator

    Aug 10, 2002
    New England
    Personally, I always thought fake bouncing of emails was a total waste. It is too inexpensive to make massive outbound spam runs, too easy and too cheap to just send out millions of spam messages. It is costly to worry about returns, (if they are actually sending from a valid address), too time consuming to remove bad addresses. From their perspective - why bother? Since they don't care about bounces, why worry about removing bad addresses. Just hijack someone else's open relay and send a few million more spams. When you are stopped there, hijack another... etc. etc.

    But, there is some value in bouncing spam messages... It makes people feel better. We all like the idea of - "hey you, take this!!" - ::bounce::

    Other than that, don't waste your time. :rolleyes:
  3. BlitzenZeus

    BlitzenZeus Security Expert

    Feb 11, 2002
    Oregon, USA
    Some have said it worked, and some say it doesn' t work. It all comes down to if they use a valid From: address that they actually use, and not a fake address or somebody elses address. Then you have to hope that their software actually takes the e-mail address off the list, which they don't have to do if they actually provided a valid From address.

    I would have to say it doesn't work most of the time as spammers fake so much information.
  4. Detox

    Detox Retired Moderator

    Feb 9, 2002
    Texas, USA
    Well; I have experience in the very center of this.. I got Mailwasher a while back and I always bounced everything I didn't want all the time. At first it worked wonderfully I asume because within a week I seemed to get no spam at all. Recently (not sure why - I think I have a very private email addy) my spam has increased greatly and I don't think the bounce is having any effect anymore. Seemed to have worked very well for months.. maybe half a year.
  5. *Ari*

    *Ari* Registered Member

    Feb 15, 2002
    Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen :)
    I have experienced the same as Detox; I got rid of 99,9 % of spam first, now I am receiving it again, but NOT as massive as it used to be, not even close. There is still one bug in there, his name is Phillip Ryker living in Boston, I keep on receiving his spam daily. I use reporting tool too. I have no idea what exactly it does.......maybe just emails ....the most effective antispam would be reporting to the closest police I recon.

    friendliest - Ari
  6. libbo1

    libbo1 Registered Member

    May 28, 2003
    I agree with all of the above comments. I've been using FRONTGATE MX's reject and report feature. Reports
    spam to Too early to see any results. I like the fact that it will send you back a report of any action taken though. :p
  7. sakharg

    sakharg Registered Member

    Jun 22, 2003
    I agree with LowWatermark, that the bouncing feature has its greatest effects in the psychological. It makes people feel at least a little pro-active rather than being victimized, kind of like flipping spammers the third finger in light of the general helplessness surrounding the crap they have to filter through in their mailbox everyday.

    Mailwasher, and the bouncing feature, in my extremely unexpert opinion, should only be the second line of defence. I've always felt that safe surfing habits, and continued education about it (cookie control, scripting control, file execution permissions, real-time registry modifications, website privacy policies, spyware/webbugs awareness etc) have a far greater effect on reducing spam. I mean, those are some of the methods that spammers use to harvest your name in the first place, so understanding those things should preempt the use of Mailwasher.

    Of course, people can be even more proactive than just bouncing (Spamcop, email tracking, ISP reporting), but how many ordinary people have the time, the inclination or the necessary knowledge (like how to decode email headers, for instance) to pursue this to the required end?

    In my own experience, Proxomitron has had a far greater effect on reducing spam than Mailwasher and its bouncing feature. The feature I appreciate about the latter most is the ability to preview my messages on my ISP's server, and delete it from there. However, some email clients like The Bat! and the new Pocomail (version 3) also have this feature, so does this make Mailwasher redundant?

    ........besides, I think I'm falling in love with :D.....I'm thinking of popping the question next week......
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