Bought a New Windows 7 laptop.

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  1. zapjb

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    The point for me where I'm trying to draw a line in the sand. Is I don't care, am helpless, given up or think there's a good reason for the 3letters to have invasive access to my digital life.

    But I can't think of 1 ** good reason for M$ to have invasive access.
     
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    It sound like a nice place I wouldn't mind myself to spend my retirement in a place like that.:thumb:
     
  3. Krusty

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    I am in no way happy with my experience with FCU on three machines.
    Three machines and one clean install and all had the same Start menu etc bug. Two machines back to 1703 and 1709 hidden. They work great again. The third machine is still on 1709 and the bug is still present and affecting this machine this morning.
     
  4. Brian K

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    Krusty,

    Sorry if I asked these questions before. I've forgotten.

    I recall you downloaded the ISO and didn't use Windows Update. Did you download the ISO direct from a Linux OS or did you use the "Tool" in Windows?
    How did you do the install? ISO on the HD? A DVD? A UFD?

    I'm just trying to determine how our methods differ as all my 1709 upgrades have been fine.
     
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    Brian, I don't want to take this thread off topic, so check your PMs.
     
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    Is a beauty, impregnated with history. The lake is large so when the Spaniards "discovered" it during their search for the Pacific Ocean, they thought they had found it. Is one of the rare places in the world where sharks live in fresh water. In the 17th and 18th century pirates used to come in though the San Juan river and the lake to attack and pillage the cities that were built in the west coast of the lake. In the mid 18th century, Commodore Vanderbilt had plans to build the canal using the river and the lake, unfortunately for this country the plans were later drop and the canal was built in Panama. It would have costed a lot lot less in terms of loss of life and investment building it here but ...

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    @zapjb : Congrats on the new lappy. I hope you like it.

    Does HP provide you Windows 7 Pro installed via downgrade rights, a factory restore that restores Windows 7 Pro, plus Windows 10 Pro media/download and activation key? There being both Windows 7 Pro and Windows 10 Pro driver downloads and support?
     
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    TY

    Windows 7 Professional 64 (available through downgrade rights from Windows 10 Pro 64)
     
  11. RockLobster

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    It makes perfect sense to me. I have and often use, a legacy Win XP laptop with 1gig of RAM, a 1.8ghz celeron processor with legacy windows software and guess what.
    I can edit my pictures, type letters, play games, make spreadsheets and charts and play music and DVDs etc etc and you know what ? None of that stuff needs multi gigabytes of ram and multicore processors today any more than it did ten years ago except for the fact today's versions of those same applications which do, offer very little in the way of extra neccessary functionality but are hugely bigger and greedy for resources because they are nothing but bloat.
    A corporate joint marketing ploy that has been going on for decades.
    Get the latest updates which will bloat and slow down all your applications until your PC is so bogged down and sluggish, you think you need to buy a new one.
    So you do and of course only the latest versions of the applications you need work on the new OS so you have to buy them too and the cycle continues.
    Yaaay for wall street.
     
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    RockLobster,

    Do you have a SSD in that laptop? WinXP runs much faster from a SSD.
     
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    No it has a regular HD I haven't upgraded that laptop in years lol
    Funny thing is a few months ago I found some old Win 95 and 98 games at the flea market for a dollar. I' m not much of a gamer nowadays and I dont know how old you are or if you remember C&C red alert? I saw that was one of the games so I said wow I used to love that game so I bought them. It didn't take much effort to get it to run on XP and its still as much fun to play lol. I tried several of them including submarine titans, doom and quake etc they all run smooth on the old 1.8 celeron under XP.
     
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    Not so sure I agree with this. I am using a 5 year old desktop that runs perfectly on W10. It is fast and does everything I need it to do. And I expect it to run just as well for at least another 2 or 3 years. Every soft I use now is free and have no need or desire to pay for anything, was running EAM but am now running WD, so to summarize, not bogged down, and have no reason to buy any new application. Not sure why anyone would not run W10 unless your wearing a tinfoil hat.
     
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    I dont know about that, RockLobster. I mean, I loved my XP and for most of its lifetime, it handled everything I did in the desktop perfectly well. But I have to say, as the years went by, the handling of heavy browsing, playing high quality videos, put a lot of stress in the PC. It was easy to tell that the PC was stressed out. Things that it could do in earlier years it couldn't do anymore with ease.This is despite the desktop having 2GB of RAM instead of 1 like yours, and not using any AV or any security program that took away.resources.
    You are assuming. Let me prove it. The video in the picture is being played with KMPlayer version 2.9.3.1428, my favorite video player. This version of KMPlayer is from 2009 :D. You can see the version number to the right of the video, search Google for it. I am using the latest version of W10, my laptop is 64 bits. The player is 32 bits. Amazing, and on top of that, is running sandboxed.

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    I was talking about the difference between software that runs fine on a 10+ yr old single core celeron with 1gig of ram because the requirements of that software is a lot less than that spec vs the requirements of today's versions of that same software.
    I don't run W10 on my much newer PC's because I run Linux on them.
     
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    Yes I see that, but I wasn't suggesting older software wouldn't work on W10, what I meant is, when you realise the corporate tech giants have over the years deliberately bloated their applications to resource hog the host PC to drive the market, you realise at the same time, there was nothing wrong with the version from ten or 15 years ago, it had already been perfected long before that. But now the application that in 2001 ran fine on a 800mhz pentium is now requires multi core processors and several GB of RAM to do much the same thing.
    Developer ide's are an example, the bloat is ludicrous.
    I can run an android ide app on my phone. I could literally develop apps on my phone if I wanted to. I would if the screen was bigger. I have done on a tablet.
    If you get the PC version of an android ide your talking minimum spec several gigs of ram and a multicore processor.
     
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    On that, I agree. KMPlayer is a good example of that and proves what you are saying. The KMPlayer version I am using is the last one that came out before Pandora took over and bloated the player :). And for my taste, it made it unusable.

    Bo
     
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    I'm still using uTorrent 2.04 from 2010. No bloat.
     
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    It is amazing to me how many people, including many who I would otherwise consider very intelligent and knowledgeable, don't know or understand the difference between "privacy" and "security" in general, how their privacy specifically is affected by Windows 10 and most importantly, how their security is protected with Windows 10. It is why I have invested in tin. :rolleyes:

    These same people have no problems with Google or worse, Facebook. They have no problems with risky behavior like running Torrents on their computers. Or with IoT devices like Amazon Echo or Google Home listening in to everything they say in their own living rooms. Or with their cell phone carriers or ISPs truly spying in on everything they do AND connecting that collected data to personally identifiable information! :eek::rolleyes::confused:

    Even at its worse, Microsoft is NOT trying to steal our passwords, full name, birth date, street address, bank account and credit card information. They are NOT trying to find our Social Security or Insurance Numbers, personal contacts, or read our emails. Nor is it trying to overwrite security certifications (as Lenovo did), redirect us to malicious sites, or take control of our computers to send spam, distribute malware or act as zombies in DDoS attacks.

    With your PC, Microsoft does not know your real name or your street address. In fact, with your Ethernet connected computer the closest Microsoft knows of your physical location is your ISP's PoP (point of presence). That is, where your ISP connects your computer to the Internet. In my case, that is 10 miles away in the next town over!

    Your ISP, on the other hand, knows your home address, your real and full name, birth date, and your billing information too. They also know every single website you have visited and what you did while there.

    Your cell phone carrier is even worse! They also know your home address, your real and full name, birth date, and your billing information. But worse, your cell phone carrier knows exactly where you are currently standing to within a few feet. They know the store you are standing in, and often the aisle and even the products in the aisle you are standing in front of! They know where you've been, how long you were there, the direction you are heading now and how fast you are moving. They know who you have talked to and texted.

    Frankly, Microsoft is the least of our worries. But as long as the tin-foil hat wearers are willing to believe what they hear from each other, I will be laughing all the way to the bank!
     
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    Given my specific situation, I'm located in Mexico. I'm not concerned about most privacy holes Windows 10 has, or any other program has. Alright, I must admit I do some tweaks regarding privacy in general, but not paranoid or alike. Security? Well, I'm more concerned than privacy in general, but again not paranoid, although I like to use complex programs for security, just for curiosity and fun. That's it.

    But I do not tolerate such big failures from Microsoft and its emblematic all-mighty Windows 10. No sir. I like stable systems, like Windows 8.1 which I find it very stable, fast and trouble free, pretty much.

    LOL, I see how funny this topic has gone really OFF-TOPIC imho.
     
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    I would be the last to defend Microsoft's arrogance. And some of their marketing/PR and executive decisions and policies have earned much disdain from me and I have not hesitated to let them know how I feel in those regards, publicly in forums and privately through my MS-MVP channels.

    But it is wrong to judge an entire company, especially one as large as Microsoft, by the actions of their marketing and PR departments, or executive decisions. Marketing weenies are a different breed of people entirely who make no bones about stretching the truth or even totally fabricating falsehoods. I often put them right up there with politicians, shysters, wannabe journalists, and insurance companies. While they are still, technically, humans, the similarity often stops there.

    The developers at Microsoft, on the other hand, are real people. With genuine concerns and integrity when it comes to developing the finest version of Windows yet. And they are doing it because Windows 10 is just that, the best, most stable, most secure Windows yet.

    So when you make such comments as "all-mighty" Windows 10, that should be directed at marketing and PR, not the developers.

    I do find it very ironic and amusing you rank one of Microsoft's greatest flops, Windows 8.x, as better than W10. I think you should reconsider your position, compared to the rest of the world. The thought you are right when everybody else is wrong should be eyeopening.

    That said, the fact is, Windows 8.x was indeed a great OS. The problem was, once again, the product was ruined by marketing and executive decisions - not by development incompetence. The bean counters forced (or tried to force) the totally new "Metro UI" down our throats with W8 in the hopes W8 users would then pick up a Windows Phone and intuitively know how to use it, and then buy it over an Android or Apple. But those marketing and executive decisions (as well as W8 and Windows Phones) failed - miserably and MS had to back up and regroup. Which they have done with aplomb - in spite of all the opportunistic bashings and rumor mongering by biased MS bashers and misinformation by the IT press seeking sensationalized headlines.
     
  23. RockLobster

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    Some of us don't need others to walk our dog when we can walk it quite well ourselves.
    W10 would add nothing to the security of my XP laptop which is already equal to that of classified military networks.
    It is a stand alone machine, air gapped from any outside network.
    The only software on it was installed by me, either from original CD's or downloaded on a seperate device, checksummed and the digital signatures verified before being moved to my XP machine and installed.

    Unless you are Microsoft's CEO you have no way to know what Microsoft has been doing, is doing or is planning to do so you ought not to make such assertions about their modus operandi.

    My ISP does not know which websites I visit because I use a VPN on my Linux machine that does have an internet connection.
    My phone also has a VPN.

    I have never used FaceBook.
     
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    I couldn't have said this better. I recall a time when Steve Ballmer described Linux as something along the lines of 'a cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches'. Although apparently there has been a U-turn in this opinion.

    I don't trust M$ anymore, or believe anything they claim.
     
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    they even removed the embedded line of products except Windows 10 IoT which is useless to me. I wish I could easily remove features from Windows 10 I don't want, it could be a better product lol.
     
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