Big jump in BitDefender signature file today

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  1. kdcdq

    kdcdq Registered Member

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    Hello all,

    I noticed today that the BitDefender signature file, Cumulative.zip, jumped about 8 Megs in size, which is very unusual for them.

    One download site is: ftp://80.86.106.20/pub/updates/bitdefender_v9/

    Does anyone know why o_O?

    Thanks in advance.
     
  2. Medank

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    you know why i switched from Bitdefender to other AV's long time ago?
    the support was so bad, they never reported to the customers about what they changed/improved on their software.
    No information, and the supporter and the forum really su** :)

    But i hope someone from bd will give you some information here,
     
  3. icr

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    After each update the folder size goes on increasing thatz what i disliked abt BD
     
  4. Niels

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    Hello Medank,

    Why does the forum really suck? I try the best what I can to help people on the official BitDefender forum under the same name as I am registered here. Which is by the way a user forum. I had a contact who could see what changed and what was the status of a bug but because that person worked only part-time combining with going to school they fired him so I couldn't ask the status of the bugs and improvements any more.

    Kind regards,
    Niels

    Hello kdcdq,

    From what I have heard from a virus researcher the reason why the update is so big is because of the removal methods for malware.

    Kind regards,
    Niels

    Hello icr,

    Are you speaking about the BitDefender Threat Scanner subfolder of the common files folder? Normally the size shouldn't be that big. On my computer it's only 96 MB. After a few updates that folder should be cleaned (= removing older entries)

    Kind regards,
    Niels
     
  5. hex_614

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    well i never used bd for a long time. so no comment.
     
  6. webbit

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    Hi All

    I use bit defender and have done now for 3 years, my subscription is coming to an end in january.
    I have always found the support to be excellent, i have had a few problems, and ok they are not corrected instantly, but they are resolved, either by using thr forums or the live support.
    I use a dual boot pc with xp and vista so i use bit defender on vista as this is my main pc, but i trial all the different avs on xp, and im still going to be sticking with bit defender.
    I do find the internet security suites to be a bit bloated, and they seem to fight for system resources, so at the moment i only use bit defedner anti virus,and pc tools firewall along with A squared anti malware.
    but i do like the look of total security, and maybe will buy thAT, but will trial it first.
    Here in the UK we have a shop called Staples who stock bit defender, and their price is much cheaper than buying online, its about £20 for a 3 user licence.
    Just one question if anyone can help, can bit defender and a squared be compared, do they do the same job, so am i over protecting myself.
     
  7. Niels

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    Hello webbit,

    To which version of a-squared are you referring? I mean the free edition or a-squared anti-malware. If it's the latter that might conflict with BitDefender Antivirus realtime protection. I didn't test it. I don't have any additional anti-malware scanners on my computer. If you feel safe you can have it as back-up scanner.

    Kind regards,
    Niels
     
  8. Medank

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    I knew it was a huge update for detection removal or something else,
    I never heard that BD has made a huge Major update for improving detection rate...
    I'm sorry if i say this and i dont have the right to post but Bitdefender sux on detection rate, they care too much in other perfomence like Tuneup, Registry , etc.
     
  9. webbit

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    i use a squared anti malware, but dont have it as on demand, but does a squared find different things to bit defender
     
  10. kdcdq

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    Just a quick update:

    The BD signature file jumped another 4 MB today; it is now 43.6 MB in size. On 10/31/08, this file was "only" 33.1 MB in size.

    This is just CRAZY ........
     
  11. Niels

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    Hello Medank,

    What I understood that you wrote that the BitDefender forum sucked. That is why I asked for an explanation.
    I only answered kdcdq why the update was so big. I agree that BitDefender detection grade didn't improved if you take a look at some tests but BitDefender also didn't decreased either in those tests. Did you tried one of the 2009 products? Now there is a behavioral blocker included. You can't configure yet that much.

    Kind regards,
    Niels

    Hello webbit,

    That is difficult to answer. It might be but it could also that BitDefender detected something that a-squared doesn't detect. You should decide by yourself.

    Kind regards,
    Niels

    Hello kdcdq,

    Keep also in mind that BitDefender moves older updates into the latest created folder after an update. The largest signatures update this week-end was 12 MB large. You can verify it go to Program Files,common files,BitDefender,BitDefender Threat Scanner, search for av32bit_8527 open that after that open plug-ins and look at the dates. So you can see that it aren't all new signatures. Or are you referring to the cumulative and weekly updates that you can download? That is normal that they are so large because they contain many signatures.

    Kind regards,
    Niels
     
  12. Medank

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    Sure it sucks, you dont have right to say anything you want,
    They delete your post without knowing it, if you post/mention other AV they will also delete your post.
    Some Moderator's are crazy instead of helping Customers they block them for posting just because they think BD has some bug or has not improved nothing just being worse.

    No i mean NO antivirus out there release a whole new proudct without improving the engine, that is really crazy, they care too much about defrag, registrycleaner, etc but forgott about MOST IMPORTANT detection rate...

    Behavioral blocker are NOT included in any AV-TEST out there, the AV-TEST just scan's files to see how detected most, so sorry.
    And what are you talking about? when did you Niels got an BD expert *puppy* Of course the LAZY BD Lab has not improved and you say they have not decreased - Of course they have decreased just take a look at the latest AV-Comparatives and you'll see.
    Eh no meaning to chatt with BD i have tried to chatt with them for years but doesn't help, even the supporter and not just Lab are so lazy.

    Bye ,
     
  13. Sm3K3R

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    Nice flame m8.BD forum is intended for BD software users that encounter problems and its not a wilderssecurity style forum.BD is constantly at a over 95% detection rate in the last years ,if not over 97%.BD its just simply good.There are a lot of vendor forums outhere that will not tolerate naming competitors products.
    If you want to talk about security software wilderssecurity is what you need.
     
  14. Medank

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    wow at least 95% or at least 97%
    hmm weird because latest at av-comparatives.org the result was low it was: 92,4%, but i think you see maybe diffrience test results o_O
     
  15. MalwareDie

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    Actually Medank, the difference is only ~0.1%. You have to look at the number for set A and B to be able to compare with previous tests.
     
  16. Niels

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    Hello Medank,

    You are free to speak on the BitDefender forum. If you ever had any complaints about moderator actions you could pm one of the super moderators. I appreciate that you answered my question.

    You don't have to buy the Total Security package if you don't want all of those extra's.

    What I wanted to say is that in the 2009 version there is now a behavioral blocker that wasn't there in previous versions of BitDefender so that is a little bit an improvement. I hope that is clear now. I knew that the additional protection isn't tested.

    I reported some bugs and they were fixed. So I have some good impressions about them. One of them was in the 2009 version that when you created an user task the memory was still being scanned even if you unchecked it by the scan options.

    BitDefender lab lazy the samples that are uploaded on the forum are added very quick.

    Kind regards,
    Niels
     
  17. Sm3K3R

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    Medank or David G or whatever nick name you are using, no one is forcing you to use BitDefender and no one is forcing you to submit samples on BD forum.If you want to help, do it ,if you dont like BD use something else, its a free world.:thumbd:
    I always double check my BD protected system with top rated antivirus(Avast Avira,NOD 32,McAfee,Norton,KAV) and antispyware and only once i found some adware one year ago in 2 years of usage.For me its simply perfect and hits 99,99%.Have a nice day and stop downloading porns mate.:D
     
  18. kdcdq

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    FYI Sm3K3R,

    Like you, I have one BitDefender protected system that has NEVER been infected by any malware, or at least any "infection" that could be detected by Avast, Dr. Web, Kaspersky, AVG, or Avira.

    What I have found over the last few BD releases is that new BD products tend to be very "buggy" at first, but really stabilize after sixty days or so after a new product release. I currently running paid releases of BD Internet Security on one XP-based system, and BD Total Security on a new Vista-x64-based laptop I acquired recently.:)
     
  19. Medank

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    Use Avira or Eset/nod32 then much more stable and much more better then buggy bitdefender , that has been buggy since ver10.
     
  20. webbit

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    Hi Niels,

    i have BD anti virus 2009, is there behaivior blocking within this,and how do i access it, is it turned on by default, and is it on similar line to threatfire and prevx.
     
  21. EsoxLucius

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    @webbitIf you a fiddle a bit on the download site you'll find the manual for BD 2009 and there you will find the informations as it follows:

    Chapter 16.1.3 on page 102 of the PDF really explains it all. Please read it and I think you shall be fine. :)

    As for the way it works I think I can provide you some informations if you give the time to find out more about it.

    About the flame here: I don't see what's the real thing that's discussing here??
    The fact that BD has large update files on live update or maybe on cumulative weekly packs. The fact that the detection rate went down or stayed the same?
     
  22. Medank

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    how come every AV improves detection rate when they release a "NEW VERSION" of their product except Bitdefender not ?
    latest AV -TEST from av-test . org and there i see bitdefender2009 with bd ver11 same detection rate result and more then one milion samples has been tested so, i belive this is very bad.
    That's just my opinion.
     
  23. Sm3K3R

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    David G you are amazing man :)
    Same thing over and over ,here and on BD forum, its like beeing in a loopback session.:gack:
     
  24. Medank

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    Hey i think you are amazing, u seem to be little paranoid,
    I have not been posting for more then 5 days now on BDforum about anything i maybe join it sometimes as well as i join avira and kaspersky forum but not been posting there...
    Where does your blind eyez see that i have posted there and complaining about detection rate latest 1 one week?`
    I think you need to see good next time before judge man, you are really amazing,

    Dont judge people before you have all fact's...Stop annoying me, you seem to be very young i think.
    I don't understand why you protect the BD-LAZY supporter and Lab so much? do they offer you mod+ on their forum or what , phf:D
    Let the BD REAL workers that really work and come from BD answer on this question, and not such amateur as you , you're not a Lab or developer from BD .
     
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  25. zfactor

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    i had very bad results myself and lots of system issues with bd..
     
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