Discussion in 'privacy technology' started by happyyarou666, Feb 9, 2012.
so mullvad or bolehvpn?
You would probably need someone who subscribes to both, to answer that. I use Mullvad and am completely satisfied. Speed is fine...I downloaded the latest Nvidia driver at 2MB/s. Yes MegaBytes, not bits. Support questions are answered, their client works great, OpenVPN works, they take cash and Bitcoin... Maybe I'll buy a month of the other guys and do a comaprison.
now thats what im talking about heres a new reply from bwprivacy:
"Greetings, We are happy to get reviewed by you. Thanks for the pointer to the relevant forum post.
See below the login details for your test account. You can log into it on our website:
It is set up like any other regular customer account using the regular process:
3. deposit funds
4. deposit gets credited by staff
5. activate service(s) for credit
6. set-up OpenVPN client and unpack config files
Your test account is in the state like any customer would find it after "stage 5".
Looking forward to your review on the Wilders Security forum
If you have any questions, problems or feedback, dont hesitate to contact support again.
Michael - BW Privacy staff"
lets get it started shall we, btw they too give you your personal key files
p.s: finally gotten a reply back from perfect privacy lets see what they have to say , id love to test them heard great things bout em, gona send a pm out to secretsline as recommended by casper , vip vpn wont give you theyre email for contact for some odd reason so i wont be pming them i guess
update on bwprivacy:
se1=4mbit ping=193 < sweden servers way too slow
hk1=662kbit ping=656 <lmfao
ca1=8kbit ping=>999 <thats if you even get lucky enough to log into this one -.-'
bg=422kbit ping=135 <lols
as said uk , us , germany and france servers dont even get tested ,out of obvious reasons
so all in all a pretty good vpn and decent speed , anonymous payment options , pay with whatever you please and well the sweden servers need a deffinite upgrade imo, next
BW Privacy definitely looks promising. Considering the proximity of some of those server locations, those are some really good speeds, overall.
VIP's contact info (Yahoo email, chat, etc.) is on their home page: http://vip72.com/
thanks i guess ill send em a pm now too
That's right not any VPN needs to provides these 4 keys, it just lets us know if you know what you're doing or you don't as far as this is concerned, it is after all the RECOMMENDATION from OpenVPN!
LOL, what a joke, forget these people, the don't know anything about Key auth and perfect forward secrecy!
SORRY guys KEYS are important!
By the way Reuben of BolenVPN, nice to see you stop in again, as you have probably realized we're all a bunch of Security geeks and certainly quite a few paranoid bunch running around too...
Have you considered adding in some mutli hop servers, also possibly adding more TCP servers so users can combine this with Tor?
thanks dasfox same thing i was thinking as said one less on my list of being worthy for a test , as i see it we wouldnt be worthy of theyre epic vpn service lols
On the question of multi-hop VPNs it is something we can look into if there's sufficient interest We are a bit concerned as to the effect this would have on speed and latency but perhaps it can be a packaged add-on to our regular packages.
I have started a poll on this: http://www.bolehvpn.net/blog/
I'd never recommend a VPN to anyone that had like 20 different servers all over the world, I've yet to see a mega VPN that was any good, more like quantity over quality and that's not where it's at... Granted small can be junk too, but most of the smaller like pirate/privacy fighters, that know what they're doing aren't...
Like I say, stay low, small and under the radar...
It would be great to have TCP VPNs, or some other devised method that also combines well with Tor, so that the VPN can be routed over Tor, besides offering multihop... Something like BolehVPN creating their own Tor Gateway that works on any OS...
If you have the the time to read through a lot of the VPN posts you'll see that 'Trust' is a major issue here on the forums, in regards to who can really be trusted with their service, so being able to offer a nice Tor solution allowing end-users to route the VPN through Tor gives them a little more confidence in this situation, also something like this can also be nice in case of some accidental VPN hijacking, etc., besides adding an extra anonymity/privacy layer...
Everyone better be running over there, or I'm going to be cracking the whip! LOL
or just use your vpn in conjunction with tor?, wouldnt recommend it for regular net activity thou or youll be downloading that 100mb file till next year , the more hops the lesser speed
what you wanna be doing here is use tor for signing up and ucash etc for payment , once thats finished you dont need tor for use with your vpn , since they dont log and hence no way to backtrace you , here comes the magic word TRUST and yes if you choose the right vpn service i dont see a problem with that , hence why im doing this research of vpns , and i think more than 3 servers is a good thing the amount of servers will not determine your anonymity and it depends on the money the company is willing to invest for future buisness , hence why theres an increase of servers with vpns imo,
and about bolehvpn creating theyre own tor network? lmfao i dont think thats gona happen xD , tor itself is already advancing with people that have higher bandwiths adding emselfes as nodes , the entire idea of tor is to make an network that cannot be taken down , if bolehvpn was to attempt this and lets say theyd be taken down for some odd reason then your "tor" network would be nonexistent , where already going for tor 2.0, i remember back when tor started , it was sloooooowwwww xD , more than it is now wayyyy more
Happy: So if you had to pick one at this stage after investigations so far, what are your top 3 in order?
Not sure who mentioned BolehVPN creating a whole new Tor network. Dasfox did mention BolehVPN offering a tor gateway which uses the existing Tor network. In other words BolehVPN offering a service that allows users to route their BolehVPN connection through Tor. One could use the Tor browser bundle on top of a VPN. Which would be VPN > TOR > Website
So websites would see your TOR IP and the VPN would see your real IP. (I understand that if the VPN has no logging this does not matter. This is a matter of trust though.) If you FIRST connect to Tor then route the VPN connection through it this offers even more anonymity. Then you would have TOR > VPN > Website
With this setup a website would see your VPN IP and the VPN would see your Tor IP. So even if the VPN did log they would not have logged your real IP but the IP of the Tor exit node. One could accomplish this themselves with Torbox: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/TorBOX or a VPN like BolehVPN could set something up so a user would connect to a Tor gateway first then to the VPN server. Not sure if they would be interested in something like that but that is the idea.
my bad ive misinterpreted that for a sec there xD
but yeah thats how it would work , and as ive said you could connect to tor then have your vpn run over tor but as said , if your vpn is trully trustworthy and thats my mission to find out with this thread then you shouldnt have to be required to do so nor have your speed brutally crippled xD
and as ive said TOR itself has its place too of course ,for internet banking , signing up for your vpn anonymously , gov hacking xD etc or for just wanting to be completely untraceable while reading wilders forums lols , just not for watching hd youtube videos and other streaming services and downloads that youd like to have finished now not next year xD, if tor was faster we wouldnt even need a vpn wed simply route all our traffic through tor but thats no the case hence why we use vpns, and of course tor exit nodes arent encrypted so its easy to read exit node traffic if someone where to hook themselves in thou that usually never happens
I don't post but I tried the short 3hr mullvad trial and for me, the speeds were great. I have a normal cable internet account though which I usually at best download at 2MB per sec. When connected to mullvad I had pretty much the same speeds. So for people out there with a sucky or "classic" lol cable internet <6mb accounts these may not be slow for them.
And I did no speed test site I downloaded some 4gig files.
Who would you guys pick so far if you had to pick one? Who would you rank 1,2 and 3 so far?
I have been following along in this thread. It seems to me that YOU have to decide on whether or not you are looking for privacy as a main concern OR security. I know they are not mutually exclusive but sometimes the selection you make may decide upon the VPN service used.
Don't take this wrong but let me paint what I am talking about. Someone who uses the net to surf and is totally legit in what they are doing online. They want to remain private (stop google and others from data mining) and are only incidentally concerned about "big brother" security. For that individual I submit that a high speed semi-local service using openvpn is the way to go. I am on a 50 meg line and I personally would not want to be restricted to 2-4 meg connections. Why would I? My servers (and I use several) are openvpn and tunneled using current technology. The forums I participate in, google, general sites and such all only see a VPN and nothing else. Further, my ISP doesn't have a clue what I do online. I tunnel to a VPN so privacy from the ISP end of of the pipe is solid as hell. I am not worried about the "Feds" because I don't play that way. So for me I'll cruise at 25 meg and not try and hide in a far away place crawling along at basic dsl speeds. That is my .02 and I realize I only speak for myself on this issue.
This is also not just an issue of trust, but about adding various layers to increase security, safety, privacy, etc...
Granted, Tor is going to slow things down, so you use it when you can and when you can't you don't...
But combining Tor and a VPN it's going to be a lot harder for someone to hack through all of this to get at you...
Palancar, online security is also not about what you do, it's about simply being a target in it's various forms, don't ever consider for one second because you don't do anything wrong, doesn't mean you're safety and security is any less compromised, after all what does identity theft and hacking into someone's system have to do with the integrity of what you do online? --> NOTHING!
This is like saying the bad guys are only looking for the bad guys online, you think everyone here is only trying to hide from Big Brothers eyes, nope, it's about staying safe from everything and everyone...
Bottom line, it's not about what you do, it's about what you want to do to protect yourself online and I'll say it again as I've done so many times in the past, so many people seem to think because they don't do anything wrong they have nothing to fear or lose, which is the farthest from the truth!
The truth is how much do you value your life and safety when you are online? Also in many countries there are public records that are now all over the world wide web, so not only your safety could be at risk but also the relations with, friends, family, etc...
Staying safe isn't just about the individual, unless you're a hermit with no life, friends or family. It's about realizing it could come back to haunt everyone!
Of course the other side to this story is most people simply think and believe, what are my chances? Well, as I say, better to just be safe than sorry and not take any chances...
Said another way; 'Bad things happen to good people all the time'!
I look at it this way: I'm on a 25-30 Mbit connection. The best I have ever seen, no VPN, when downloading 720p Techzilla podcasts, is 4 MB/s. When I'm on the VPN, I get 2 MB/s. So yes, half...but even half is darn fast for web surfing...which is all I ever use the VPN for. 1080p YouTube is just fine. All I need, others may need or want more, only the user can decide.
I pretty much agree with you as spot on. I do setup my connection for security along with privacy. You couldn't be more correct with the statement: "bad things happen to good people".
I guess my point was that there are some very powerful VPN providers here in the states. Their technology is second to none along with great speeds. However there seems to be a rampant concern for the "big brother" thing.
Maybe I am short sighted. If the VPN tunnel is solid hiding activity from the ISP side and then solid at the other end, where is the "consuming" risk from "big brother" for "good people"? I constantly monitor the AV side of the house, use advantageous addons, etc..., and anything else I learn about as I go.
Its not all about speed. Currently I am logged in through Long Beach and its only 6-7 meg. I guess I wrestle with the notion that its somehow safer to go to a small country for a connection.
I have clean backups and monitor my drives far more than the average "joe".
So how gullible am I? Its a serious question and don't worry about insulting me. I am trying to learn each and every single day.
this from paolo over at airvpn some interesting info on marktors vpn over tor question heres an excerpt:
"to reply to marktors and dasfox's vpn over tor interest: AirVPN offers what he wants since its birth, both AirVPN over TOR and TOR over AirVPN. Please note that AirVPN over TOR is not only for websites, everything will be tunneled over AirVPN over TOR, even applications not configured to use TOR. See https://airvpn.org/tor for further details and an example with the Torproject browser bundle.
Multi-hop VPNs, I wonder if they are really useful. After all, if you are willing to pay the performance price, you can already have a real multi-hop setup with Air over TOR, in addition to Air servers different entry-IP and exit-IP (which, alone, are sufficient to prevent those correlation attacks I talked you about). If the multi-hop were performed by the same VPN, with all the servers owned by the same company, where would the additional security layer be? And what about partition of trust? Why should you be willing to throw in the trashcan partition of trust? As a consequence, if my logic is correct (I'm not saying it is, this is just brainstorming for a discussion), a multi-hop VPN would cause just a performance damage, without any beneficial effect."
well there ya have it, and he bed doin some truthtalkin with the multihop statement
p.s: perfect privacy is as always taking theyre sweet time to reply to my reply to theyre reply , and havent gotten a reply from the others yet
From what I understand, a single hop VPN is actually pretty easy to trace. And so is Tor. But a multihop vpn that goes to different countries is a different story. So if a single hop vpn can be traced, easily, then the Tor connection that goes to that VPN could be traced as well.
So I am wonder if a single hop VPN is really that useful.....even when you Tor through the VPN. On the other hand, tunneling through a multihop vpn would be a lot more difficult to trace. Especially if you pay anonymously and never connect to anything other than a public wifi, from a distance. I can't think of any reason to go through those extreme measures, but I am sure that there are people in other parts of the world that should do just that.
Using what mechanism?
Who are these powerful VPNs you're talking about?
I look at it this way, unless consumers have a high level of knowledge in these areas of the technology, and many of the things this deals with, how else then is anyone going to really know how safe they truly are, from any adversary on the outside or problems within the VPN?
The truth is, with very little experience, it's going to be next to impossible to know much of anything, so then you just have to rely on what you're seeing and reading and just simply place trust in that. Or you're listening to others tell you how good or bad a company seems to be based on their experience, again, what is their level of experience, or professionalism on the subject too that they are sharing?
There are so many VPNs out there, some with bigger names then others, but honestly, we are still dealing mainly with small companies, or even just a few individuals offering such a service and when it's like this, anyone can talk a good story to make you believe anything, that you end up placing your life in...
Obviously, no one needs to have any experience and knowledge, or know anything to use such a services, but you still have to make a choice on who you're going to use.
So who do you use, when you just can't figure it out, either stick to the biggest names in the business and I don't mean just VPN business, but in the computer business, OpenVPN and Comodo, as an example offer VPN services, now I'm only using them as an example, not a recommendation, names like this, or you look around at all the Pirate Freedom Fighting types, like a Pirate Bay type of a VPN service and there are quite a few of them out there...
There's going to be Pros and Cons no matter what direction you take, but I truly am the type of Geek that likes the small underground Pirate type fighting services, I think they're the best, because they don't have the big corporate structure that has to worry about that structure in case of some type of law or government pressure and they tend to be the ones that really stand and fight, who are really there for it, like it's their life calling, a mission, not some company that saw a need to fill and looked at the profit margin and figured this was a good business to get into type of BS!
So... To answer your question, if you're not as educated as the people running this type of business, or all the types of hacks out there, then yes, you can certainly wind up in a lot of stink... Then again, most do end up coming out smelling like a rose as they say, but do you think I'm going to take a chance? HECK NO! You want to stay smelling clean, then you need to do your homework, you'll only get out of it, what you put into it.
And now that I think about it, PRIVACY, SAFETY & SECURITY should be something of our life's work and passion, especially if you want to stay safe in today's world!
I've been quite a few years into this, just to learn how to be safe, I think it gets down to how much you value all of this, but the problem is, most people are complacent and figure what do I need to know or really care?
For me, when it comes to online safety, I'm quite extreme and I don't mess around! Like they say, better to be safe than sorry!
Go low, stay under the radar and find the freedom fighters!
On the subject of multi hop, just find a VPN that offers several servers in the package you sign up for and will allow you to make a few simultaneous connections. Then as an example, you can connect to one server, fire up a VM like VirtualBox and connect to another server and guess what? You're now multi hopping at no extra charge on the VM...
I've been using mullvad for about a month now. I like it so far. The speeds are usually just a couple % down. And they don't keep logs. It's great for downloading torrents.
Tor is easy to trace? A single-hop VPN is easy to trace? Define "easy" and how, for instance, would you go about tracing a Tor user?
I was going to ask Caspian the same questions. I dont see how Tor is "easy" to trace by any means. And Single Hop VPN is not necessarily "easy" to trace either. If a VPN really has logging disabled and does not have static IPs for users it would be difficult for them to define what user was using what IP.
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