Best Privacy Brower?

Discussion in 'privacy technology' started by lucygrl, Nov 6, 2013.

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  1. lucygrl

    lucygrl Registered Member

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    Hello, what do people feel is the best browser for privacy? Most people tell me Firefox, but are there any better alternatives? Im currently using SRWare Iron browser. Would people consider it better, worse or on a par, then Firefox for privacy?
     
  2. Jryder54

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    I would say the tor browser bundle would be the best for privacy. A bit overkill for everyday use though. SRWare iron would probably be best for everyday use IMO. Comodo Dragon is my preferred as I like chrome-based.
     
  3. lucygrl

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    Since i posted this i have found out that SRWare iron forks to Google servers without the user's consent. However, if this information is wrong please update me on this. Anyway I removed SRWare iron and replaced it with Firefox.
     
  4. Jryder54

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    Its quite possible. Maybe somebody with more knowledge about this could chime in? Where did you find the information? You could always add the server to your host file if your paronoid about it.
     
  5. cb474

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    There's a ton of information online and in this forum about the various browsers. You should do a little searching around.

    As far as I know SRWare Iron and Comodo Dragon are just marketing gimmicks to get you to use their software. I don't think Dragon does anything other than change a couple settings in Chrome that you could change yourself. I think Iron is more or less the same kind of gimmick. Others can provide more details, but if you search this forum I'm sure you'll find plenty of information on Iron and Dragon in already existing threads.

    If you're serious about privacy, yes Tor Browser Bundle is pretty good and easy to use. But it will be slow. If you just want to be tracked less by online marketers, you're better off using Firefox with NoScript, AdBlock, and a few other privacy plugins. Search around. There are lots of threads and articles online about how to make Firefox more private. I don't know if anything equivalent to NoScript exists for Chrome, so that would be a stumbling block to making it more private.

    If configuring Firefox or Chrome yourself is too much of a pain, then you really have no good options. There's no easy way to privacy. If you want easy, then the Tor browser bundle is your only good option, but again, it's going to be slow.
     
  6. Jryder54

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    Scriptsafe is what I use for comodo/chrome :thumb:
     
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    You could always route your traffic through a vpn. Omg somebody once suggested vpn through tor, I can't even imagine how slow that would be lol. Just make sure flash/java is off when using a vpn/tor as it can leak your ip.
     
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    yeah, ss performs pretty good.
     
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    Any sources of this info (direct links)?
     
  11. Jarmo P

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    Firefox with NoScript extension is without the doubt the best privacy browser.

    For Chrome you could use something like ScriptBlock extension. At least it is better than nothing and besides using a Google browser you should not expect much for the privacy.
     
  12. lotuseclat79

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    The notion of using Tor Browser Bundle locks you into using Tor afaik - please correct me if that is not so.

    The real question is what is the most useful browser to browse the Clearnet - i.e. regular websites without using Tor/Tor Browser Bundle, and how do you retain your privacy. The other question is of what use is it when you use the Tor Browser Bundle and you login to any website - it can easily compromise your login details at the Tor Exit Node when the owner of that Exit Node scans all traffic with Wireshark.

    As Jryder54 suggested the use of a VPN - that would be a very good first step to shield your IP address - and it is essential to find a trustworthy VPN provider. Search this forum for thread titles with VPN to find reviews. Also, it is important to know when your VPN drops out and take action to mitigate that occurrence. Search for posts initiated by mirimir in this forum about the documentation available elsewhere he has posted on various issues like running Tor with a VPN and how to mitigate losing your privacy when the VPN drops out.

    For Clearnet browsing, I use Firefox with NoScript in a Linux Live/USB environment which has the added security of having no hard drives mounted when connected to the Internet as opposed to any installed OS which by default exposes mounted hard drives for logging.

    I don't recommend the Chrome browser as it is connected to Google which seeks at every turn to compromise user data for advertising purposes to make a profit - i.e. no regard for user privacy.

    -- Tom
     
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    Hi, stumbled on this site regarding this statement actually, because it's confusing me lol. Now, some anonymous people tell me NOT to use TOR anymore, because it's compromised and tor exits are being monitored by fbi and etc.

    And then here some are saying NOT to mix personal accounts with anonymous accounts. But how can you be on anonymous accounts posting youtube videos, watching youtube videos, and be on twitter, facebook, and other social sites.. if javascript is disabled and all those "ad block" plugins are installed?

    Because most of those sites require javascript installed to use them and view videos. So how are they even using these sites to full capacity on their anonymous accounts that have all this "protection" enabled/ javascript disabled and etc..

    It don't make sense to me.. Anyway, I was asking some random anonymous folks on youtube about this, because I figured they were the best ones to ask about the privacy tips and suggestions. Lol! Just I never got a definitive response back about this question..
     
  14. Jryder54

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    Youtube (facebook, twitter?) can work with HTML5, which does not require flash. I don't know if HTML5 can leak your ip. Ad block does not really affect social sites and if something appears to not work there are options to allow them. Disable third party cookies btw. Javascript is alittle more complicated scriptsafe, which is the add-on I am using, has options to allow or trust the domain. External resources are blocked and can be allowed as needed. It is kind of annoying IMO lol. I am tolerating it for now. As for tor exit nodes, I have heard the same thing in regards to FBI/NSA actually running exit nodes, but I mean really that is the point of tor, to not know where it came from. They may be able to see the info but they won't know where it came from. If the information is sensitive then vpn should probably be used.
    Edit: By Java I meant Java plugin not javascript. Two different things but still a good question!
     
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    wow, thanks for fast reply! :D I'll have to check out that ScriptSafe plugin, and thanks for the information there as well. :) I'm not sure about HTML5 either... I downloaded one of their security handbook pdfs that I stumbled on online the other week haha.. And installed about ALL the suggested plugins they suggested.

    Regarding my original question/concern, I came to conclusion along with some other threads I've read here. To just use as much "security" as possible when using those sites to begin with, and use those sites behind a vpn/proxy combination? And allow the "trusted" sites of course, which is ironic in itself, because facebook, youtube, twitter are all "spy tool sites" by the cia, fbi, nsa anyway. Haha!

    So, in nutshell, just get a premium vpn like Mullvad, which I've heard some good things about them.. (i hope, cause opinions/reviews of vpns are always changing). Run the vpn, and get a free proxy to run along side it, or maybe mullvad has proxies to buy to run along with it.. and then setup the new facebook, youtube, twitter accounts BEHIND the vpn/proxy.. And then also do encrypted emails, with email provider like Yopmail.

    I was going to go with https://riseup.net/en for email, vpn, and etc. But noticed some where that was possibly compromised as well. But I'm not sure. My other concern is, I have verizon highspeed dsl, like the lowest highspeed 1mbps.. And I'm sure running a vpn/proxy will slow stuff down even more. Which I don't like. :(.

    Would be nice to have a little faster new highspeed dsl provider, with built-in security, possible vpn and etc, that didn't cost an arm and leg annually lol. Thanks for your reply, and tips and etc. :)

    Oh yeah, some i notice use VPN + PROXY + TOR, which might be ok too.
     
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    lol. You're welcome! You can check out this thread https://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=355439 or many others to see what vpn would work for you. I hope you can find one that is fast for you, if that is what you descide to go with. It sucks but sometimes Privacy>convience. I don't know about the social sites thing. Sometimes I use a alias and want to remain under it, I.E. not give my IP. For example I have a facebook account just for giveaways that occur sometimes.
     
  19. spencerp

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    Thanks, will read that thread! :) I was reading some other HUGE thread the other day regarding various VPNs, took a while to get through all those pages. lmao.

    I also noticed, someone used vpn and etc just to setup account here and keep that account separate from personal, because for obvious reasons. If you're on personal accounts googling and or posting in security forums, posting under personal ip address.. talking about which vpn service you use and such, you're basically giving the law all the info they need and label you "terrorist" lol.

    And the old expression "Google is your friend." Isn't the case anymore either, "google is your enemy." Should be new expression, anything Google, gmail and etc is "spy tools" for govt and they store it all. Hence TV Shows like Cold Case Files and etc using google searches for crime solving, along with gmail emails. But yeah, for the privacy, you almost have to "sacrifice" speed for privacy. Which does suck, cause you almost have to shell out even more money to get that faster connection, to then run privacy services which slows you down to a slower speed than you're paying for, but yet to keep your speed higher than lowest speed like I have now 1mbps.

    If I ran all this stuff, my speed would be kicked back to under a 56K dial up speed ... Lol! 1mbps connections really isn't much faster than 56K dial up anyway though. >_< Regarding social sites, I basically had social sites for normal personal life activity broadcasting / rants / etc. But recently went through my personal facebook account the other month and deleted all searches I've done, all posts, all comments, all "likes", and most private messages I've sent. But I'm sure it's still all stored some where anyway though. >_<.

    regarding facebook: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqj4c8g4elU

    tells law, where you are, what you're doing, where you plan to be with events / location service, what type of person you are, your interests, your face recognition / uploading pictures.. who's friends, family, address, past jobs, schooling and list goes on and on. Handing the law all they need to know, right under your noses. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bKOUWt9MuU
     
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  20. mirimir

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    Speed kills ;)

    I'm connecting now through three VPN services, one of them two-hop. I'm getting 2 Mbps down, and 1.5 Mbps up, with 320 msec latency. That's good enough for me.
     
  21. spencerp

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    Wow lol. Yeah I seen you say about 3 connections and some others as well.. Haha. And still that speed is faster than mine currently.. Lmao! I'm going to make new thread about highspeed vpn internet itself. And apologize to lucygrl for hijacking their thread, wasn't my intention. Thanks for the replies though, they were helpful. :)
     
  22. lucygrl

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    I came across this on another form....
    it's a fork of Chromium and it contacts Google servers without the user's consent, more info here https://github.com/nylira/prism-break/issues/169

    Im no expert so cant say how accurite any of this is, but I went with firefox and Im happy I made the move as I feel overall its a much better browser though not as fast. But privacy and security is more important to me.
     
  23. mirimir

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    Even a maximally, over-the-top locked down browser can only provide limited privacy. And security can mean many things. No matter what browser you're using, you're sharing your public IP address with every site that you visit. Even if you use a VPN to change IP, your browser has a unique signature, and there's no easy way to know what other tracking information sites are storing.

    What sort of privacy and security do you want?
     
  24. Palancar

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    I am with Mirimir. VPN + Whonix = 4/5 hops. My speeds are decent but not even close to my raw 50 meg line. A few solid reliable meg all day long is worth the trade off for me. The workstation pulling out the hardware ID and making a fingerprint "generalized" might be the way to go in lucygrl's case. Just an idea.
     
  25. spencerp

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    I'm starting to think it's just easier and cheaper to stop getting online all together.. sigh. I just looked locally for possible cheaper priced dsl high speed providers and most are more than what I have now.. and even the Verizon upgrade plan for 1.1 to 3 Mbps Download / 384 Kbps Upload would cost 29.99 monthly. 3.1 to 7 Mbps Download /768 Kbps Upload 29.99 monthly.. and 7.1 to 15 Mbps Download 768 Kbps Upload is 29.99 monthly..

    The .5 to 1 Mbps Download /384 Kbps Upload is basically what i have now and it's only option for the 19.99 monthly.. wtf?! No way to upgrade to little faster connection speed for maybe a couple bucks more.. >_<. Then I'm told I'd have to get DD WRT firmware installed as well to run most VPNs.. Which of course my verizon dsl modem/router can't do DD WRT firmware upgrades/bricking. >_<.

    I'd almost have to drop the verizon dsl services, get my own router for 50.00 or more dollars just to add a dang DD WRT firmware upgrade/update on it. And pay arm and leg for upgrade in speed plan, cause most other local dsl connection providers cost alot more than Verizon. Then pay out even more money yet for 9.95 monthly for VPN services.. and you're still not gonna get the total privacy anyway.. this is all money scams and bull crap sigh.

    spend, spend, spend, spend, spend = get nothing for privacy and anal rapings anyway. But I digress lmao..

    Whonix, isn't that a Virtual Box? Or, another branch off of Linux install package like Ubuntu with less support? I was thinking of using that, but I don't know much about it lol. :p

    Also, isn't there anyway to get rid of browser identity/signature?
     
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