Beeban Kidron: 'We need to talk about teenagers and the internet'

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  1. Pinga

    Pinga Registered Member

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    http://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/sep/08/beeban-kidron-inreallife-interview-teenagers
     
  2. Gullible Jones

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    Thank you for posting this, Pinga.

    With all the yammer about liberty lately, there's not been much talk about what people are doing with it. And in a lot of cases the answer seems to be "seeking entertainment" rather than "educating themselves." It's nice to see someone asking hard questions about the problems inherent in that, even if the answers are equally hard.
     
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    Thank you for sharing this.

    Educating ourselves is not enough nowadays. We need to learn and practice digital self-defense. Not against the NSA but Google & co. Global internet companies seem almost limitless access to the minds and desires of ourselves and probably even more so to teenagers. I hope this documentary will have a well deserved impact but I fear it will remain on the fringe of political discourse.
     
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    Not against the NSA, but Google & co? Sorry, but that's way outdated. NSA takes your data regardless of your consent, just because you were born in a world of their influence.

    Google & co. can't get away with something like that (they tried, but were sued severely), so they offer enticing services that you sign up with. Regardless of the loopholes, you agreed to their TOS.

    The former was in the realms of paranoia and science fiction. The latter is well-known to anyone with experience. You tell me which is worse. Teenagers just need more maturity these days.
     
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    J_L, no disrespect but your statement sounds to me like legal PR from those corporations. These corporations use and abuse our data more than any one outside of this forum is probably aware of. This is wrong regarding what powers they give themselves via their TOS. In a way, the NSA also argues that it operates within the TOS of the USA and the majority arguably implicitly agrees to it via electing representatives that allow this to happen.

    It is not just down to maturity, whatever that is meant to be. The normal internet user has very little influence over how their information is used and one has to go to great length to regain a sense of fragile privacy when one uses electronic devices. These big corporations track you irrespective of whether you agree to their TOS or not. I never willingly signed up to be spied upon by numerous tracking and advertising networks with ever more sophisticated ways of recording my every move online and the ability to pull data together from various sources and online identities that I try to keep separate.
     
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    I'd like to see examples people haven't sued, opted-out of, or blocked. The TOS of USA is international, huh? How come Google can be effectively sued, but not NSA? One of them even has secret court jurisdiction.

    The Internet itself was never owned by users, you're in public streets here (unless you happen to own a private server). The amount of advertising trying to know about you shouldn't be surprising. You're forgetting that those companies try to serve people to survive and how much power one really has over them, the same can't be said for the NSA.
     
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    Hype. It comes down to parents.

    You can always find idiots who take it to the extreme.
    And people cling to these extremes and project on everything else.
    Someone is addicted to porn, oh poor soul, who cares.
    Where are his mom and dad to give him perspective to life?

    Mrk
     
  8. JackmanG

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    Coincidentally (or perhaps not) Schneier had a somewhat related post recently:

    Government Secrecy and the Generation Gap

     
  9. Gullible Jones

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    Did you even read the article, and notice Kidron's rebuttal to that?
     
  10. Mrkvonic

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    Yes I did, and I chose this part to focus.
    I am in a grumpy mood.
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    That's a great pair or articles! Thank you :)

    It's important to keep in mind that they're talking about different generations, however. At 30, Snowden is old enough to be one of Kidron's teens' parents. It's gonna be a strange world, me thinks.
     
  12. JackmanG

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    Well if you want to play that game, technically (i.e. biologically), Manning, at 25, is old enough to be the parent of those teens...that doesn't mean it's common or likely.

    Since we're on the subject of changing generations, while teen parents may be more common now than they were a few generations ago, the overall trend is actually older parents...that is, people are having children later in life than in generations past. So that's another aspect.
     
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    http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ned-children-internet-addicted-virtual-damage
     
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    http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/sep/13/jonathan-franzen-wrong-modern-world
     
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