Bare-Metal Restore O&O Software

Discussion in 'backup, imaging & disk mgmt' started by n8chavez, Jul 21, 2008.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. n8chavez

    n8chavez Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2003
    Posts:
    2,305
    Location:
    Location Unknown
    I've been trying out bare-metal restore software. I recently had some hardware issues that made me reconsider this kind of imaging. I know that ShadowProtect can do what I'm looking for, as can Paragon. But I was suprised to find out that O&O Disk Image can as well. The below was taken from this pdf:

    Also, another reason why I am a little excited is that they offer student discounts (see here) which means that it only costs $22.47 USD.

    Any opinions of DiskImage?
     
  2. rendez2k

    rendez2k Registered Member

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2007
    Posts:
    315
    Location:
    UK
    It was discussed here a little:

    https://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=197605

    Don't almost all disc imaging programs come with a boot CD that allows you to image the system without installation, even if it won't boot? I think thats all its offering unless I've misunderstood it. I certainly saw nothing new with it when I tested it...
     
  3. Huupi

    Huupi Registered Member

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2006
    Posts:
    2,024
    with trialing imaging software you have to test recovery of system partition ( recovery CD),if thats not supplied then IMO its worthless. With SP you can request a full evaluation to also test the recovery process ! ;)
     
  4. n8chavez

    n8chavez Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2003
    Posts:
    2,305
    Location:
    Location Unknown
    It's not like ShadowProtect; you need to purchase it before you get the recovery CD. There is no trial. When you say you've tested it, I'm inclinded to believe that you did so without the CD. In which case you're going to find it lacking.

    That's true. But keep in mind that SP is $70 USD, which is more than three times the student price of DiskImage. Also, I've tried it and have gotten VSS errors that I have not been able to resolve.
     
  5. Brian K

    Brian K Imaging Specialist

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2005
    Posts:
    8,647
    Location:
    NSW, Australia
    n8,

    Do you think O & O DiskImage can restore to different hardware? I can't find a reference to that feature.
     
  6. n8chavez

    n8chavez Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2003
    Posts:
    2,305
    Location:
    Location Unknown
    Read the PDF I referenced (here). Also, the user manual (here) pages 6-7 indicated that.

    This is from the producy info pdf:

    Perhaps I'm being overly optimistic, but that sounds like what the recovery CD for SP does.
     
    Last edited: Jul 22, 2008
  7. Brian K

    Brian K Imaging Specialist

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2005
    Posts:
    8,647
    Location:
    NSW, Australia
    n8,

    I did read the manuals and my opinion is the same. It's just a standard restore to a new HD, not to different hardware.

    How do others interpret, "Bare metal?"
     
    Last edited: Jul 22, 2008
  8. n8chavez

    n8chavez Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2003
    Posts:
    2,305
    Location:
    Location Unknown

    I guess I don't understand how it can be viewed any other way than undeed being able to do "bare-matal" restoring. If that were not the case there would be no need to load drivers, as they would already be in the image file.

    Again, to me that sound like exactly what ShadowProtect offers with their recovery disk.
     
  9. Peter2150

    Peter2150 Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2003
    Posts:
    17,053
    Unlikely if it doesn't specifically mention it.
     
  10. Brian K

    Brian K Imaging Specialist

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2005
    Posts:
    8,647
    Location:
    NSW, Australia
    Bare-Metal means restoring your "data" when there is no OS present. ie restoring an image to the same or a new HD.

    Loading drivers means getting the rescue CD to work. ie loading SATA and NIC drivers so the CD can access your hardware.

    I can't find any reference to "different hardware."
     
  11. Huupi

    Huupi Registered Member

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2006
    Posts:
    2,024
    I dont bother with install,everything is done with the recovery CD,backup and restore so at least no conflicts with the OS,it work for me flawless. :thumb:
     
  12. Hairy Coo

    Hairy Coo Registered Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2007
    Posts:
    1,486
    Location:
    Northern Beaches
    Think there is some confusion here-if we are talking about a Shadow Protect HIR,almost certainly O&O cant do it.

    Obviously it can restore an image-so can many others.
     
  13. n8chavez

    n8chavez Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2003
    Posts:
    2,305
    Location:
    Location Unknown
    Apparently this is the case; O&O DiskImage 3 Pro can indeed reimage reguardless of hardware. I've been in contact with support and I was told that this is probably the case. He will verify and get back to me. Fingers cossed.

    The magic is, as it always is, in the recovery CD. I was told that bare metal and hardware independent restore equate to the same thing.

    I sure hope all you buzzkills are wrong.
     
  14. Peter2150

    Peter2150 Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2003
    Posts:
    17,053
    I'd be wary if they tell you the they are the same. Bare Metal restore is taking your computer, replacing the harddrive and restoring the image. HIR restore is taking an image from machine A and restoring it on machine B. Huge difference.
     
  15. pandlouk

    pandlouk Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2007
    Posts:
    2,566
    Peter is right.

    Hardware Independent Restore = Bare Metal Restore of an image preconfigured with Microsoft's System Preparation tool ;)

    Panagiotis
     
  16. Brian K

    Brian K Imaging Specialist

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2005
    Posts:
    8,647
    Location:
    NSW, Australia
    I think the buzzkills will save you $22.47 USD.

    Heard from that rep yet?
     
  17. n8chavez

    n8chavez Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2003
    Posts:
    2,305
    Location:
    Location Unknown
    I'd rather pay than than $70 for SP.

    Not yet. There are a company vased on Germany, so it might be a while.
     
  18. Peter2150

    Peter2150 Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2003
    Posts:
    17,053
    Hi Panagiotis

    When I tested HIR, I didn't use the sysrep tool. Just imaged one system and restored on the other. HIR took care of everything needed to get the system booted, except for having to load raid drivers. In one case the systems were very different. Amazing.

    Pete
     
  19. pandlouk

    pandlouk Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2007
    Posts:
    2,566
    Hi Peter,

    Yes, I know. It was only an example that the results of Storagecraft HIR are the same with baremetal+sysprep.

    Shadowprotect and similar programs "call" the sysprep function during or after the restoration of the image through the pe enviroment.

    Panagiotis
     
  20. n8chavez

    n8chavez Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2003
    Posts:
    2,305
    Location:
    Location Unknown
    Well, it appears the naysayers are right. I just got a response from O&O software that confirms that DriveImage cannot restore to different hardware.

    Their English is not very good and, I think, as a result there was a little confusion in semantics. Oh well. On to test Paragon Drive Backup Pro. I just found out they offer a 50% competeitive discount.
     
  21. grnxnm

    grnxnm Registered Member

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2006
    Posts:
    391
    Location:
    USA
    I was personally involved in the design and development of ShadowProtect's HIR functionality, and so I can tell you, definitively, that ShadowProtect's HIR feature does not use sysprep in any way, shape, or form. There are very good reasons for this, but I'm not at liberty to disclose them.
     
  22. grnxnm

    grnxnm Registered Member

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2006
    Posts:
    391
    Location:
    USA
    I can see how you would arrive at that conclusion, however it's simply incorrect. ShadowProtect's HIR functionality doesn't make use of SysPrep in an way, for very good reasons which I cannot disclose.
     
  23. pandlouk

    pandlouk Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2007
    Posts:
    2,566
    Hi grnxnm,

    I'm sorry, I did not want to imply that Shadowprotect or the other products are using sysprep; only that they perform a similar function with sysprep for cleaning the hardware database of the OS. (the problem when someone talks/writes in a non native language) :oops: :p

    grnxnm may I pm you? I 'd like to buy Shadowprotect but I'm a little confused/worried about the licensing module that you use (because of some earlier posts).

    Panagiotis
     
  24. grnxnm

    grnxnm Registered Member

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2006
    Posts:
    391
    Location:
    USA
    Sure, feel free to PM anytime. However, please be patient with me if it takes me a day or two to respond.
     
Loading...
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.