Volare:, what planet are you on? step one read "post 1" step 2 think step three post Cheers Forgot to say as well all modules were not install in a custom install, only the anti virus was, and i truly would have to have mental problems before i use their all in one deal that comes with a firewall. Agreed, though the Ubuntu\amazon problem is a drop in the bucket compared to whats going on in windows land of late. Their everywhere bro ! *slaps on tin foil hat* run for the hills Wise words Sr and yes i do know what im doing, only bin doing this since apple II, and agreed its why i use a test box, they can vampire everything off that for all i care and the only thing anyone will learn is that its a p4 dell junker worth $40 used, O'look a 40gig hdd, yay. Hdd was wiped to US DoD standards before use\installing winxp sp3 and checked after the fact for bios virus problems. drive was clean. I can do better "wiped to US DoD standards before use"