AV-Comparatives: Real-World Protection Test - February 2018

Discussion in 'other anti-virus software' started by PEllis, Mar 15, 2018.

  1. stapp

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    If you open Defender from taskbar and click on 'virus and thread protection' what does it say? Does it mention Panda?
     
  2. Osaban

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    If one is an average user who buys a computer nowadays and doesn't know anything about AVs, WD will be the standard default, your computer's performance will be what you experience with your new computer and that's that. Without any benchmark comparison, you won't know whether your machine can run faster with another program, and most people don't really care one way or the other.

    Here at Wilders we constantly try programs out, and as result one can perceive big differences sometimes. I could live with WD speed, it is not the end of the world, but on my 2 fast laptops there is a noticeable difference. I also believe people who say that WD does not slow down their systems, that is why system impact by an AV can only be checked in real time on a specific machine only, results may vary dramatically with other systems.
     
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  3. xan K

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    Kudos to Microsoft for improving WD so much! I haven't come across any performance issues in my almost two years depending solely on WD, and I come from years of using ESET, the king of performance.
    Hats off to Windows Defender team.
     
  4. BobH44AZ

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    I agree , I have also been using Nod 32 off and on for years, I have a current sub for Nod 32.
    I have a current paid sub for 360 Total Security, but of late, the updates have screwed up my browsers . I removed it and the problem went away .
    Windows Defender has come along way and when the Nod 32 sub expires in July, I will use Windows Defender ....
    I am not a security expert what so ever, but have been reading the Wilder's Security forums for security advice for many years .
     
  5. Eggnog

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    It installed fine the second time around, and disabled WD. I think what happened the first time was that I turned off VoodooShield instead of disabling it.
     
  6. Eggnog

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    Well, I installed Panda on a couple of Core 2 Duos I have running Win 10 and it does make a difference from Windows Defender on performance. They feel much quicker and snappier now.
     
  7. mood

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    Windows Defender, Kaspersky Top Antivirus Test
    Just four different solutions got the maxim score

    March 19, 2018
    http://news.softpedia.com/news/windows-defender-kaspersky-top-antivirus-test-520285.shtml
     
  8. ArchiveX

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    Yeap. :thumb:
    Protection is one thing and Performance is another one; a different one.
     
  9. Macstorm

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    I knew it.

    As you say, that's your personal experience regarding "performance". I don't think the millions of happy users of WD out there share your views.

    Also, you compare WD against the (according to av-comp) "lightest av" Eset. Not a good comparison to me since I would never touch Eset products with a ten-foot pole, protection-wise.
     
  10. Azure Phoenix

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    Why?
     
  11. anon

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    The millions of happy [average Joe] users of WD out there have no idea what the words:
    "OS" / "performance" / "protection" means.
     
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    you do realize it's hilarious that the company that made the OS can't make their own AV light, let alone the lightest with their inside out knowledge.
     
  13. elapsed

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    It's not hilarious at all, actually. I don't think you understand the concept of separate teams.

    That being said, there only so much you can do with an AV product before you end up moving the entire process to the cloud. How "light" is too light exactly? Do you want it uploading a copy of everything you download to the cloud and doing 0 processing on your end? At what point do privacy advocates jump in?

    Emulation costs CPU resources, there's no way around it other than "more cloud".

    Now if you're trying to tell me that average joe notices a performance impact with Defender I'm just not going to believe you. The good thing about Defender is there isn't a drive for profit, so there's no race to the bottom to be "the lightest" at the cost of privacy.
     
  14. amico81

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    another problem....the defender is no solution for average joe,because he doesnt have a phishing-protection...sorry but thats a big fail
     
  15. xxJackxx

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    First, the "separate teams" would invalidate the reason some folks would claim WD to be effective, which is that is is written by the company that makes the OS.
    Second, no, the average joe will not notice the performance impact, as it is the only way they experience Windows. If you don't disable it or install something else you have no idea. It doesn't mean there is no impact, just that anyone that hasn't explored other options don't know the difference.
    Third, I'm not sure how being "the lightest" would have much if any relation to privacy. It would have to be a policy and not a side effect of software development.
    I'm not picking on you or the product, but everything has its limitations and for WD performance is one of its limitations. People can accept that for what it is and still be happy with it but it is what it is. Detection rates need to be first, then they need to work on false positives, and then performance. When they master all three, I will give them their due credit. At that point the impending lawsuits will make them remove it. :eek:
     
  16. Spartan

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    Keep telling yourself that. The millions of WD Users are ok with it because they don't know what their computer can perform like without WD. I can tell because I know my laptop inside out, I have a fast laptop, all SSDs, not a single HDD in it.

    Let me just give you one example.

    I have a software folder that I place all my setup EXE files in AND folders of portable apps, like CCleaner, Revo Uninstaller Pro, etc.

    Each of those folders has a custom *.ico icon that I assigned to make them stand out easily.

    If I have Windows Defender on, every time I access that folder, the icons would load in slow motion, one by one, because WD keeps scanning the same files again and again every time let alone how slow it does it.

    With ANY other AV, the icons and folders load instantly. Go figure.

    I don't care if you wouldn't touch ESET products with a 100 foot pole, the point is, WD sucks in terms of performance. PERIOD. I state facts from AV Comparatives results AND from user experience.

    Other than that folder example, I feel a whole drag on the system during normal day to day operations, installing large apps like Adobe CC Suite takes twice as long with WD enabled!

    Oh and before you tell me my computer is slow, here are the specs, if this can't handle such basic tasks with breeze if WD is on it, then I wonder how your so called average joe is ok with his system's performance.

    MSI GT73VR Titan Pro-425 | i7-7820HK | Kingston 2400 MHz. 64GB DDR4 RAM | GeForce GTX 1080 | Dynaudio System with Nahimic 2 Sound Technology | Killer™Wireless-AC 1535 | Chi Mei N173HHE-G32 17.3" FHD 120 Hz/5ms Screen [G-SYNC] | 2x Samsung 960 PRO 2TB + 850 EVO 1TB + 850 EVO 4TB + Sandisk 512GB Extreme PRO SD Card | Windows 10 Pro
     
  17. clocks

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    I have newish PCs. I from time to time watch resource usage. Anytime I see something hitting the CPU hard and I check it, it is compounded by Defenders using 30-40% of the cpu. I don't notice that when I have other AVs installed.

    It would be nice to just be able to use WD, but right now that program is fatter than the average American. MS really needs to lighten it up.
     
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  18. Spartan

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    Thank you sir! Just comes to prove my point!
     
  19. Hiltihome

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    Why not use lots of cpu time?
    If there is still headroom for other tasks, why not?
     
  20. roger_m

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    When WD uses lots of CPU time, it can cause slowdowns. It's going to vary from one computer to the next, as with any antivirus. But, to compare it with Panda as an example, CPU use always remains fairly low, even scanning with Panda.
     
  21. The Seeker

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    I too keep my setup exe files in a folder. Why not do as I do and exclude that folder? (I scan the files before putting them in there, by the way.)
     
  22. xxJackxx

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    If we were talking about memory I would agree, unused memory is wasted memory. The CPU is a different story though. Something using CPU will take it from other things using CPU (a lot of tasks will try to use 100% to get the job done and if only 50% is available it will take twice as long). Plus the wasted power and extra heat are also issues.
     
  23. Spartan

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    Surely I can, that's not the point, that's getting around the fact that Windows Defender is very heavy. Im not going to exclude everything to get decent performance from something as simple as browsing folders. let alone running or installing apps. Hey, if you're happy with WD's performance, by all means use it, I just stated my take on it. I wouldn't use it even if you paid me because I value my computer's performance, every bit of it. Period!
     
  24. TheIgster

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    IMO phishing protection is simply common sense. Don't just willy-nilly click links and you'll be fine.
     
  25. xxJackxx

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    That's easy to assume but a couple of weeks ago we had an email that appeared to come from an employee and the attached document seemed legitimate. A couple of people tried to open it. Fortunately the macro didn't work but as much as I would like to blame people for getting fooled, in this case I cannot do so. Common sense does not always apply.
     
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