Av-Comparatives: On-Demand Comparative August 2010

Discussion in 'other anti-virus software' started by hckyo, Sep 23, 2010.

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  1. guest

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    One thing is what Melih thinks about protection and detection and other is if they want to be tested or not.

    Could you tell me where did you read that the on demand test can be done "in secret"? or you have figure out this?

    The dynamic test is about protection not detection.
     
  2. clocks

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    Three months ago when the last set of AVC results were released, Comodo said something along the lines of "Oh darn, we just missed the deadline and were not able to be included in this test, but we will be int he next one!". Now the new test is out, and there are all kinds of vague comments from the Comodo faithful. "Detection doesn't matter, protection is what counts!" "You shouldn't need these tests to feel safe" "We are having private talks with AVC" etc....


    And I am not stupid(i see you edited your original post), I do understand what Melih is saying, but I disagree with his rationalization. Detection is important. If CIS does not detection the malware, sure D+ can still block it, but the user is forced into interpreting cryptic warning messages about "global hooks" and registry modifications, etc. which many PC users do not understand or want to be bothered with.

    As others have said, if I someone has to make the decision on his own what to allow/deny, and what is safe vs dangerous, then why run and AV program at.

    Edit: BTW I read on Comodo forums where you asked Melih point blank "is comodo being tested", and he did not answer, though he responded to many other questions. Along with posting links to Languys propaganda YouTube videos. lol
     
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  3. RejZoR

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    You're among those who don't understand it. I said 99,9% in this test, not in real world. But as you can see, some have a long way of reaching that... So this test is still perfectly valid.
     
  4. xandros

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    really im sad
    where is comodo internet security ??
    how i will test comodo internet security ??
    any body have same file wich they test all of this antiviruses and give it to me to test comodo internet security ?
     
  5. Legendkiller

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    Avast and MSE need to be congratulated for stupendous performance,despite being a free offering.

    It seems when my norton license runs out in month,i won't be looking for a renewal.
     
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    This was a perfect opportunity to validate his comments on symantec,but i guess he never arrived at the station.......so he didn't miss the train:D
     
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    Indeed something fishy going on here. Actually I smell a rat. :D.

    Thanks.
     
  8. CogitoTesting

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    I asked myself the same question and by reading your signature I can tell where CIS is; it is installed on your computer. :argh:.

    Thanks.
     
  9. Cvette

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    It seems there has been a HUGE improvement between all of the antivirus programs tested since the last on-demand comparative. I was mainly surprised by F-Secure and Avast!
     
  10. Cvette

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    I believe he was referring to "the file" as all of the samples they use to test each antiviruses detection. Xandros, if so, that would be impossible to do as they use 917,292 files, and I'm not sure they give them out either. I could be wrong though. Does that answer your question?
     
  11. Ibrad

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    I suspect Comodo was tested and Comodo decided not to have the results posted also. Anyway not much use debating if they were privately tested or no because of the NDA policy of AV-C.

    Anyway wow many FP's for Panda. Does AV-C submit each FP to each vendor once the tests or done? I am slightly curious what app's AV-C uses to test for FPS. Are the common APP's, in-house coded apps?
     
  12. progress

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    I understand what you mean and I agree: 99,9% in this test doesn't mean 99,9% in real world - that's the problem :)
     
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    I don't think it's fair to say it's dangerous to use Panda because of that. There are many users here who will tell you they get no FPs while running Panda. This is one of the problems of the FP scenario; many of the software packages thrown at Panda, and indeed other AVs tested, will unlikely be on our rigs at any one time. Quite a lot of those programs I've never even heard of let alone have them installed on my machine. It is also worth noting that while we're reading and discussing this, those FPs have already been fixed so should we decide to put all that stuff on our computer, we shouldn't get any alerts.
     
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    see FP section on AV-C website about the false alarms (link is also included in the report).
     
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    Good Job by Avast. Keep up the good work:)
     
  17. xandros

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    if avast free antivirus have excellent points, so what about avast pro ?
    i dont know if avast free antivirus have anti spyware ?
     
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    Yup it has
    Info:)
     
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    thanx
     
  20. guest

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    D+? you can execute as many malware as you want with CIS that you will not see any alert from D+ if the sandbox is activated. I dont even remember them, well only when is an installer and is not signed xD


    Some kind of things are better to solve by PM ;) , but probably they could make more efforts to be tested, anyway I think that we will see AVC testing CIS before this year end [/optimistic mode OFF] :D
     
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    If a user has to rely solely on D+ to detect malware, they're already screwed. As said, not very many of us can interpret the techie talk that D+ spews out. This is, of course, why no one uses Comodo outside of security enthusiasts and IT pros. On the other hand, if you rely on the so-called "sandbox" in Comodo, you better hope to God D+ DOES warn you, because that sandbox is just a couple of notches more useful than Avasts current "behavior blocker".

    "Some kind of things are better resolved by PM"...so the rest of Comodos users don't need to know whether the thing has been or will be tested? That's just a secret between a select few and Melih? If that is true, then he gets another F in CEO 101. I'm not putting words in your mouth here, just going by your own statement. In my opinion, and until proven otherwise, Melih is quite happy being the favorite pet over at Matousec. Oh, yes, his comments about detection not being important and "who needs these tests"...that right there tells me all I need to know about him and his products.
     
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    IF you believe low credibility comments quoted by fanboyz.
     
  23. guest

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    Thanks for you preoccupation, but I don't belive anything until I see it.
     
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  24. guest

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    Thanks for all this excellent clarification :D So comodo is bad because only the security enthusiasts and IT pros use Comodo.
    Reading what you say about D+ it's evident that you have not use CIS 5.

    It's secret because is by contract, a MOD and IBK already said that we shouldn't talk about this.
    Comodo right now is not included in the Dynamic test, public or not.
    I dont think that Melih was trying to avoid the Dynamic test they are not there because some other reason, the most important, you have to be in the main test first to be included in the Dynamic, so why Comodo is not in the main tests... probably a bad management or prevision of Melih. :thumbd:

    He have made the ridiculous with the challenge to Symantec, I hope that he have learnt something :D
     
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    So why are you still talking about it?

    BOTTOM LINE - CIS has no professionally-developed, objective, statistically significant test data ANYWHERE on the web. For whatever reason, CIS remains a pig in a poke & no amount of rationalization will make that fact disappear. Period.

    By the way, when I trialed CIS I did not find it particularly "complex" to use. I DID find its GUI to be rather convoluted, requiring rather more drilling down than I care to put up with.
     
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