Anyone using ProtonMail?

Discussion in 'privacy technology' started by jaypeecee, Jun 19, 2017.

  1. mirimir

    mirimir Registered Member

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    Ah :) Just found this:

    https://www.deepdotweb.com/2015/12/26/nordvpn-review/
    June 4, 2017 at 8:10 pm
     
  2. mirimir

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    Damn, I missed the significance of this!

    The protonmail account on HN has claimed that PIA cooperates with the Chinese government. And that this accounts for the fact that the GFW doesn't block PIA as thoroughly as other VPN services.

    This is wild!

    Edit: So, we have ProtonMail claiming that PIA works for the Chinese. And PIA claiming that ProtonVPN and NordVPN are linked to evil Tesonet. It's been years since we've seen this much drama in the VPN world. I'm sure that some of you remember.

    But you know, for those of us who use nested VPN chains, and don't care so much about Chinese intelligence, it would actually a good thing if PIA were working for the Chinese. Because that would arguably mean they're less likely to be working for the NSA and friends.
     
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  3. wshrugged

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    For clarification: Proton's statement made at HN regarding cooperation with the Chinese government included the proviso––"We're not ready to name names at this point, but you're actually correct....". That response could be considered to be sloppily made, and thought to be meant as a strategic implication (wink,wink), but nonetheless there was no direct naming. Have they made other statements that were direct accusations? Dunno.

    I've found no objective evidence to support PIA's claims about either Proton or Nord*. We emailed Nord, included the relevant HN link and asked the obvious. Nord said they were aware of the charges made by their competitor (they threw no mud in return). They firmly deny the Tesonet ownership charge and deny that they have any association with Proton.
    They did say that they have a business relationship with Tesonet.
    (Also see @mirimir's post #44 on Tesonet.)
    Nord closed their email with the offer to answer any and all further questions on this or any other matter.



    [Overall, I agree with @funkydude 's take on this (final line in post #46).
    And, this drama is an opportunity for potential and existing customers to learn a bit about the character of those with whom business could be or is done.]


    * Disclosure: I have and people close to me do use NordVPN. We have no relationship with them other than being faceless, personally unknown to Nord, customers.
     
  4. mirimir

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    OK, so both ProtonVPN and NordVPN admittedly work with Tesonet. But I do agree that it's inaccurate (or at least speculative) to characterize Tesonet as a "data mining company". Maybe they're just an enterprise-level VPN provider. So customers use them for competitive research, which could involve data mining.

    Still, I wonder what Tesonet does for ProtonVPN and NordVPN. ProtonVPN said that they helped them setup their office in Lithuania, but chose not to use Tesonet servers, and went with Leaseweb. But I wonder if NordVPN uses Tesonet servers. And if Tesonet provides tech support to both. I may well take a look at the server issues :)

    And no, I haven't seen anything more on ProtonMail's claim the PIA works with a TLA. I do think that it's pretty clear from the HN thread that ProtonMail confirmed said TLA to be Chinese. I can't imagine why he'd leave that impression, if he meant instead the NSA ;)
     
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    I'm using both Mail and VPN. I have to say that the VPN has some issues, but the mail-part is great! :)
    You can encrypt emails with a password that you give the recipient in a different way. Then he gets a mail with a link to the message. He can decrypt the message on his end and read it or download the file - for a limited amount of time. After that time limit is over, the message will no longer be readable. You can set the time limit yourself.
    This is even available for Free users! Genius! :D

    But yea, I hope they figure the DDoS attacks out. :/
     
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