Alternate Email client

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  1. Phazor

    Phazor Registered Member

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    Back on track on trying to find an alternate email client, Using OE now.
    So my question is do most of you still use OE or have you switched to a different program?
    If you switched what do you use/recommend. Doesnt really matter whether its free or shareware. Something along the line of OE,as it seems sufficient and dont know if i really need any other bells and whistles. Although i have considered adding a spamkiller type program (mailwasher). Will mailwasher or other spamkiller program work along with an alternate email client or should i stick with OE and just add the spamkilling program on the side.
     
  2. root

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    I use Poco. Safe, slick and gets the job done. It is not susceptable to all those nasties that OE is.
    Has lots of features also.
    http://www.pocomail.com/
     
  3. luv2bsecure

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    I agree with root on POCO - it's a nice email client. Also, POCO Mobile or whatever they call (POCO PE maybe?) is about as secure as you can get. It runs off one of those USB tokens and leaves NO TRACES at all of email on the computer. Not one file. If you have a good USB Thumbdrive - say 128mb - you're setup for a good long while!

    But, my favorite is The Bat --

    http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/

    Sweet program

    If you want easily the most secure email client on the market -- though it would cost you a small chunk of change -- try SecureBat http://www.ritlabs.com/securebat/index.html

    If I'm not mistaking, I think Paul uses THE BAT and hopefully he could post here with a few insghts.

    Good Luck in your search!

    John
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  4. Paul Wilders

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    John,

    Indeed I do. In case visiting the Ritlab site and pages still leave questions unanswered, I'll gladly (try to) answer them.

    regards.

    paul
     
  5. root

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    The Bat is probably ahead of Eudora in popularity by now. It is indeed an excellent email client.
    Being old and feebleminded, I had the darndest time trying to set it up though. I don't know what my problem was because I haven't heard of people complaining about it not being easy to use.
    At any rate, I highly suggest to others, use the Bat, Use Poco, use incredimail, anything but that worm infested Outlook or OE.
    Do you good people know if we got rid of Outlook, OE, and IE, we would not have to worry about things like code red, nimda, BugBear, and 90% of the other nasties around the net.
    Yes, I know the old arguement, if The Bat were the most popular program, then the hackers would be writing programs for them. Well, I don't think they would find the going as easy though. Its a matter of priorities.
    Just my 2 scents worth. :D
     
  6. JacK

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  7. Pieter_Arntz

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    Just adware last time I checked, but doesn't the same go for the freeware version of Eudora?
    I've been using the full version of Incredimail for quite some time (I know.. I know.. I'm a sucker for smilies :D ) I'm pretty sure it shares some weaknesses with OE, but they're not tested as often.
    And it's no more then common sense not to use the preview options.
    One advantage over OE: if I ever get infected with a mailworm or anything like that, at least my OE addressbook is empty :D

    Regards,

    Pieter
     
  8. Logan5

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    Take a look at Becky Mail. You can find more info at the Becky Forums.

    http://www.morelerbe.com/cgi-bin/ubb-cgi/ultimatebb.cgi

    I dropped OE over a year ago and went with Becky.

    Logan
     
  9. Paul Wilders

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    Hi Logan,

    Not bad at all indeed ;).

    regards.

    paul
     
  10. Tinribs

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    I Use Mozilla's built in email client, safe and secure, similar to OE and Nod32 still scans email with a few tweaks.

    ps Root I wouldn't call 50ish old and feeble minded!!!
     
  11. bubs

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    I haven't shopped around much, but FWIW I''d go along with Tinribs. The Bat! seems very popular with OpenPGP activists, which is a pretty good recommendation for its security / privacy features.

    PS - Eek! - my 101st posting!
     
  12. Tinribs

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    Congrats bubs!!! have a cookie to get started on ;)


    ps she is one fine Elf, shame I'm an old Ogre. :D
     
  13. Prince_Serendip

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    :) Hello Everyone!

    I have OE rusting away in a corner somewhere around here. Never use it. I use Webmail. It has drawbacks but it's economical and quick. For secure stuff I use ZipLip. If anything does get sent to my OE it bounces to a web address.

    I never store my addresses in OE. That goes double for unsecured webmail providers. I keep them all in an encrypted format. No one can steal/use them. Works for me!

    Best regards from Larry! :cool:

    ;) Hey, bubs? Two cookies taste better than one! Congrats!
     
  14. FanJ

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    Hey Bubs,

    Congrats from me too !!! :)

    Cheers, Jan.
     
  15. luv2bsecure

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    Has anybody ever seen or used a program called "Delta Mail"??

    See:

    http://tinyclick.com/?DELTAMAIL
    (This is actually a PC World URL, but it was so long it kept gettiing truncated so I used Tiny Click to make my own URL)

    and

    http://www.zenzon.fsnet.co.uk/download.html

    I downloaded this several weeks ago and it is a very interesting program. I'm not using it or anything - just testing it - but if you're interested in email privacy, you should read the little blurb and download - you don't have to install, it's just a small little program that has some serious encryption. It's frustrating though as I have written the developer three times with a question and have received nothing in return. If anyone has tried it, what did you think? And if you do download and take a look -- let us know what you think!

    John
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  16. JacK

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    Hi John,

    I 'll give it a try.
    BTW that's remind me of a little tool no longer to d/l by
    Diamond Computer Systems Pty. Ltd.
    http://www.diamondcs.com.au
    Very handy for punctual use :

    X-Message allows you to send an encrypted message to a friend by making a special .exe file that contains your message. Simply run xmessage.exe, type in your message, and click the Make button. This will generate the X-Message - a file - message.exe

    Send message.exe to your friend. When they run it, the message will decrypt and be displayed on screen.

    You can password-lock messages. Passwords are 16 bytes long (128-bit encryption). If an X-Message is password locked, the recipient must type the password before the message will decrypt and display.

    The X-Message self-decrypting file runs checksum tests on it's contents (executable and encrypted data), and it will not load if these have been tampered with (for example, by a cracker or virus).

    Rgds,
     
  17. luv2bsecure

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    Well Jack, you are right -- I couldn't find anyplace to download using Google. Too bad as X-Message sounds like a nifty little tool.

    The closest thing to that would be HidePro (free) which uses strong encryption and will encrypt any file and creates a .exe executable - not bad for email. I think I've mentioned it before. http://www.tihy.ro/eng/index.html the Romanian page is at http://www.tihy.ro

    If anyone knows how I could get my hands on X-Message let me know!

    John
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  18. Phazor

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    Ok everybody thanks for the suggestions, right after posting this topic i went out and surfed and found 6 email programs that i thought i would be interested in and after looking at them im down to 2.
    Wanna guess which oneso_O?.........
    poco and the bat...
    Have a few questions though...

    Has anyone compared Poco and the Bat as far as resource usage? Seems i read a post where poco uses alot of resources.

    How about as far as features go?

    Usability which do you find the simplest to use as im looking into this as an alternate for my mothers email program. To help protect her against nasties and get her off of OE. In Short can mom use it without to much trouble.

    As far as the bat goes. Purchasing the program does that intitle you to all upgrades or are those at an addtional charge. Couldnt find anything on their site about it.

    And correct me if im wrong but the Bat allows you to import/export OE Message folders, whereas with poco this option is not available. You cannot transfer you current messages and folders to poco?

    Phazor
     
  19. Tinribs

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    I used to use Pcomail and I'm fairly sure you could import mail, I know it imports address books o_O

    I know Root uses it so I'm sure he'll be along to straighten us out soon :)
     
  20. root

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    Hi. As far as comparative resource usage goes, I have no idea. I hav 2k and its not an issue, but when I looked, it had about 5meg in memory. I am an intense email user with lots of traffic and stored messages.
    Poco will import directly, messages from OE, Netscape, Eudora, Pegasus, and EML files. It will import directly Address books from Netscape, Eudora, and CSV files. I think OE will export CSV files.
    The Bat has a large loyal following. Poco has a somewhat smaller loyal following, which in the long run will make it safer. The virus coders almost always pick on the most popular programs to do the most damage. That's why I don't recommend Eudora anymore.
    Poco is feature rich and supports skins. It uses its own rendering engine for HTML so it is not succeptable to OE worms.
    I have nothing to gain by convincing you to use Poco. I simply prefer it to The Bat as it is much easier to use, I think. Either is a vast improvement in safety over OE.
    Many may come back and say, if you keep OE updated and properly patched, it is as safe as Poco. I do not want to have to worry if I have all the patches and to try to make sure I get the patch before the worm gets to me.
    I do not want programs I have to keep patching, period.
    End lecture. :)
     
  21. luv2bsecure

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    Hello!

    Having to worry about the export/import issue is one email clients should be waaayyy past. The problem is Microsoft. Eudora had the right idea with folders and backup files being plain text - open with any text reader - Notepad!! But with the .dbx and all the other stuff in proprietary formats with Outlook and Outlook Express - it just doesn't make sense to me.

    As for the Bat, I think as good as it is (and would be my choice along with Poco as a close second), it wouldn't be fair to not mention that the importing of folders from OE can take some manual work once they're brought over. It doesn't necessarily keep them in the same folder titles, and can truly take some work after importing. But, truly, it's worth it.

    But, again, really we shouldn't have to worry about this. If Eudora could pull off the compression of plain text folders and keep things stable and easy to backup, there's no reason Microsoft can't do the same thing - except that by keeping their format proprietary, they keep people using their products so they'll think twice about the potential hassles of switching. At least, I can't think of another reason why MSFT would stick with this .dbx format.

    John
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  22. bellgamin

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    I like Calypso - it's free, powerful, stable, looow on system resource usage. Download at...
    http://download.mcsdallas.com/binaries/email/calypso33.exe

    User's group [one of Calypso' lead programmers is a denizen there] is at...
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CalypsoMail

    FAQ at...
    http://www.ouisoft.com/calypso.htm

    Another recommendation is Phoenix Mail [no kin to the browser] -- it's free, open source, & super friendly. Get it from...
    http://fox.hispeed.com/phoenix/us_home.shtml

    JOHN - thanks for the Delta recm. I shall check it out. I am an email-client-junkie who will try anything that isn't M$.

    P.S. - Surprisingly, no one mentioned the China entry - FoxMail. Haven't tried it yet myself but have read some good reviews.

    shaloha............bellgamin
     
  23. Phazor

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    Im i not getting something... http://www.pocomail.com/faq.html -- look under importing messages....
    Not to put you on the spot but i was going to try it out, until i found this and figured if i didnt like it i spent alot of time for nothing if i cant import/export.
     
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    What can I say? Those are the programs that show up in the drop down boxes to import from other clients.
    I know OE works because I imported my OE messages. The only thing I was unhappy about was I could not import Opera email.
    You are making this harder than it is. You can download trial copies of The Bat and Poco and try them out to see which you like best.
    Go to Webattack.com and download Total Uninstall. It is a free program. Use it to install one of the programs and if you don't like it, use Total Uninstall to uninstall it. It will completely remove it.
    That's the way I do all my installs now.
     
  25. luv2bsecure

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    Hi Phazor,

    I have to agree with root here....just download the trial and try to import them. If it works great! It wouldn't take much time at all actually. You could know 30 minutes from now. It will leave your OE folders in place if that is a worry. They will still be there if you try and it partially works, or messes up, or ---etc. Just uninstall and start the serach over!

    root,

    As always you have something wise to pass along. I had never heard of Total Uninstaller. What a program! It truly does exactly what it says - and it's freeware - wow. It does the best job of any uninstaller I have ever used. It really does get *every* file. I like that :) Thanks for passing that one along.

    John
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