Adobe will track you across all your devices with new co-op project

Discussion in 'privacy general' started by TheWindBringeth, Mar 22, 2016.

  1. TheWindBringeth

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    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/03/22/adobe_will_track_users_across_devices_with_new_coop_project/
    http://adexchanger.com/mobile/adobe-positions-cross-device-co-op-alternative-facebookgoogle/
     
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    It's very unclear how they're fingerprinting your device, or how to avoid this. Opt out, oh really.

    I can't see how this can be legal in the EU, but hey, they'll pass some fudge legislation as usual.
     
  4. mirimir

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    It's a jungle :eek:
     
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    who dobe? didn't know it was still in use.
     
  6. oliverjia

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    Adobe Acrobat and Photoshop are still the trade mark for PDF and Image manipulation, lol
     
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    To avoid confusion, I'd point out that this would be a threat to even those that don't use Adobe products or services. Other co-op partners could/would expose you when you use their products/services. Possibly, in a way that you wouldn't even be able to detect let alone block. The more I think about it, the uglier it gets. Could use some more information though. So if anyone spots something useful (technical elaboration, a site which has the opt-out link, whatever) please share it.
     
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    @oliverjia
    ha! i wonder what you have to say now. :p

    @TheWindBringeth
    thanks for the heads-up, twb.
     
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    I am running Ubuntu LTS 14.04.4, and using GIMP happily. For PDF, I use Foxit PDF reader for Linux, and Mater PDF Editor for PDF editing.
    I only hope there is no such co-op partners on Ubuntu. Otherwise, I'll smash my computers.:D
     
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    And a jungle where the predators are getting increasingly desperate - because I think they're doing the classic subprime thing of selling the same "asset" - the population - multiple times to the purchasers of advertising space. Bubble brewing.

    I'd second @TheWindBringeth 's request if anyone gets useful detail, please share.
     
  12. mirimir

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    Maybe. But this is predator-predator stuff. Adobe is apparently trying to organize competition vs Google, Facebook, Apple, and now Microsoft. But when they all start cooperating, just ... :eek:

    And then there's this: http://thankyouforadblocking.com/why-block-ads-blocking/

    He argues that there's more sharing with governments than most people think.
     
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    Agree there's competition. But that also means there's temptation (which translates into action) - which means the same "property" is sold multiple times by different predators == subprime.

    If you throw adblocking in which reduces the reach of those promises, then the bubble is truly there for popping. Good.

    Agree that the prospect of a unified colluding world with no escape - and with certain information sharing with anyone with money or power - is simply horrific.

    But it's very much akin to the world before there were trading standards, weights and measures, and all the consumer protection stuff. We have virtually none of that on the internet, so it's wild west except with robber-barons and serfs.
     
  14. TheWindBringeth

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    http://www.adobe.com/news-room/pressreleases/201603/032216AdobeCrossDeviceMarketing.html
    http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2016/03/privacy-by-design.html
    http://adexchanger.com/online-adver...cross-device-data-coop-but-privacy-is-a-snag/
    Some thoughts:

    Hashed login IDs may be hashed email addresses, and those are already being used by some companies to perform cross context tracking, build profiles, and exchange data. Unfortunately, almost everyone uses the same email address at multiple sites. Including sites that have various other pieces of personal information associated with the email address (and therefore, also, a hash of the email address). Even if co-op partners only sent that one datapoint to Adobe it would be bad. For Adobe would be able to build a graph of the sites where someone has an account, and then proceed to append more information from records of its own and/or other companies. Knowing which partner is sending the information would indirectly reveal some information about interests, products/services used, websites visited, etc and that could be added to a user profile.

    I'm kind of surprised to see only HTTP header data mentioned. On one hand I wonder if they simply aren't revealing some other [planned] aspects. On the other hand, said data could include custom headers or cookies which could be made to contain many things including an advertising ID, other software computed device identifier/fingerprint, etc. Verizon UIDH and other privacy busting headers could fall under that umbrella.

    Users must be considered about not only what partners can learn/do, but what Adobe can learn/do. Including via separate, unrelated mechanisms and backdoor relationships.

    I'm not sure how to weigh the "data cluster info only shared with co-op partners that have seen a device" assertions. One interpretation would be that only partners with whom you have an account would be informed of your other devices. However, that would fail to satisfy a number of common objectives which involve people who have not yet become a customer and opened an account. Another interpretation would be that partners will, if not now then in the future, report the devices they see even when there isn't an account access. If not through this system proper, then through other Adobe systems. Here, again, knowing which partner is sending information would reveal some information about interests, products/services used, websites visited, etc. Which could be added to a device profile, which would then become associated with a device cluster, which would then become associated with the user of said cluster.

    I think one of the worst scenarios may be device manufacturers becoming partners. They would be in a good position to know various device identifiers including sticky/static hardware related ones and add brand new devices to a device cluster. Many users will purchase through an account accessed via one of their other devices. Users may access an account and/or otherwise "authenticate" to said manufacturer while using the new device in order to update software, engage in troubleshooting steps, etc.
     
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