Whoo Hooo!!! Vista Rocks!!!!

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  1. eyes-open

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    Vista has hardly begun it's career .... yet Microsoft may have already started to book it's retirement party.

    Okay, so I've taken the view that it makes no sense to write off Vista in week one on the basis of what it does for you today. That Vista is both an evolving OS and one that is designed to parallel & maximise Microsoft's development of browser based applications.......... incorporating all that good stuff like accelerated 3D, scaled vector graphics etc..... I don't think it's been mentioned, but Fiji or Vista 2 is supposed to be the update that turns Vista into what it was initially intended to be - that was supposed to appear sometime next year .....

    Now hold on to your hats, because it seems that Microsoft are already looking past Vista.

    Vienna is now being proposed as a possible end of 2009 production..... already with hints of it incorporating both some level of sandboxing and virtual technology along with a remodelling of the GUI....... even possibly a reworking of the explorer shell and a re-assessment of backwards compatibility - the rumour mill is already working well with this one. It has recently been said by Ben Fathi, corporate vice president of development with Microsoft's Windows Core Operating System Division, that the turnaround of a Microsoft OS should be approx 2½ years.
    See source http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/02/09/HNvistafollowup_1.html

    I understand that Microsoft needs to re-capture the sense of being dynamic - but as Vista isn't expected to reach it's plateau until 2010/2011 - it's going to be interesting to see how this prospective cross-over plays out........unless of course the 2½ years begins from the introduction of Fiji and then there's a slightly neater handover in the offing.

    Then alongside comparing Microsoft to it's own developments - there's the fun of looking at Vista and possibly Vienna when placed against other platform developers. When you bear in mind some people were defining Vista as the last great turn of the Microsoft machine - it's really quite amazing how dynamic some of this stuff can be. I've been watching Adobe doing a great job developing Flash for the Linux market. As a layman, it seems the speed at which they have moved is more than impressive . Some people are wondering if Adobe intend to go all the way and fight for the Unix market, eventually porting it's big 'right side of the brain' softwares - bringing Linux into the sights of traditional Mac devotees as well as Microsoft users.....

    Microsoft are obviously not totally oblivious to the concept of cross platform capabilities - they've already responded to the challenge to some degree with WPF(Everywhere) and there's even been talk about making .xbap compatible with Macs by creating a plug-in. So Redmond not ready to accept being totally marginalised and willing to reach out if they think it strategically worthwhile - as a result, others think that maybe it'll go the other way - that Adobe won't be willing to risk being bled out by Microsoft and will prefer to sell Flash rather than make themselves a target.

    The whole dynamic rocks ......... and it's gotta be more interesting than taking a few punches at an infant OS - particularly when Vista's latest challenge is not just to rock in the cradle - now it has a struggle to stay in it long enough to make it's mark.
     
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  3. David S

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    I have read quite a few posts knocking Vista, I think everyone who dislikes Microsoft is hoping it's bad and is projecting that onto it. After a few minutes of use I noticed a huge difference between Vista and XP-Vista is better.


    I've used it for a week now and I would never go back, never.


    Everyone can knock it all they want, it won't change the fact that in the world of computing even a gorilla like Microsoft can make a better product than the one they made 5 years ago (yes 5 years-that's a long time when you're talking about computers, think about it).
     
  4. lodore

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    ok maybe its a good os and will get better but its not worth the price over xp no way!:D
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  5. CJsDad

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    My wife has Vista Home premium on her PC, I have Windows XP but it seems like more and more each day I'm on my wifes PC.
    The ONLY thing I have found annoying with Vista is the UAC which I turned off, other than that I guess you have to try it for yourself to see if you like it or not.
    Also some secruity programs aren't available as of yet but its not like we are 4 Wheel driving across the internet going to every porn, crack, P2P website there is out there.
    A router, NOD32, BOClean and SUPERAntispyware are doing this computer just fine, no slowdowns or anything.
     
  6. NGRhodes

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    That makes Vista look even worse as the progress made in 5 years is very poor, look at the features they had to drop, that they originally planned, considering they had such a "long time".

    I personally have grown to dislike MS more than their OS (for me its more the fact Vista doesn't offer any benefits over XP for me, not that I dislike it, the bugs and initial issues is the usual wait for SP1 thing :D), which is the only reason I am now using Linux (though I still am a ".net" developer at work).
     
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    http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/005121.php

    Schneier: Why Microsoft Sold Out Consumers in Vista
    summary: in order to capitalize on the convergence of digital entertainment and in an effort to channelize and control the distribution, Gates is attempting to pull off what Job's did on the recording industry.

    The price is of course the last vestiges of fair use, personal control of your PC, a limiting of innovation, competition and a horrible environmental impact.

    There is a lot of money touting the supposed personal advantages adoption holds to all strata of society, but the story of the consequences has had very little exposure outside "enthusiasts" circles by comparison.

    Like and dislike in that case boils down to one's values. This is a driving force in the industry, and the consequences will be profound. Public ignorance or apathy shouldn't be the mechanism exploited to determine the direction of freedom and the shape of commerce.
     
  8. C.S.J

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    this forum is biased!
    my vista experience so far is a good one,

    i put vista HP on my laptop today, tuneup utilites 2007 didnt work though and neither did my dr.web,

    so now im using panda av 2007, which is surprising me with its performance on vista.

    it is like xp, but modded highly :)

    im glad it keeps the feel of XP
     
  9. David S

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    I'm saying Vista is significantly better than XP, and even Microsoft can make a better product after 5 years of trying. Are you saying that since they had to drop features and they were excessively slow it can't be significantly better? This isn't about perception and how it "looks", it's about how Vista performs and for me Vista performs much better and is less frustrating and much more enjoyable to use than XP and I'm willing to bet as time goes on you'll hear that more and more.

    I didn't even realize how frustrating XP was until I'd used Vista.

    And Linux users I know......(my home pc is dual boot and has SUSE on it but to be honest I'm way behind the learning curve so I still am using Windows)
     
  10. eyes-open

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    I've read the various articles, including Peter Gutmanns exercise and as much as I'd love a copyright free Universe - it ain't and I'm not absolutely clear what the plausible options for Vista and HD media are.

    Peter Gutmann, after choosing a somewhat unnecessary reference to Nuremberg to illustrate his assertion that 'obeying orders' isn't an appropriate defence, then goes on to state that Microsoft could easily whip Hollywood, citing a 10 -15yr old event in NZ as a model. Please do me a favour - he has I'm sure a great technical knowledge, but it in no way validates this leap of dialectic. Now I'm just me - it doesn't matter if I do it, his comments are taken more seriously.

    Hollywood is certainly changing it's relationship with the DVD. We have cinemas that are refusing to put schedule movies, simply because they know the same film is coming out on DVD in a couple of months and so there's less incentive for people to pay to see it at the cinema. That has a heck of a lot more to do with the increase of home cinema like resources. Bigger TV's, better sound, and for those that smoke, the ability to light a cigarette without the law being called .... I've yet to read that it has much to do with computers.

    From the quote that Ice links to we get this:-
    Despite Peter Gutmann's assertions, from his own article we get :-
    So clearly it's not just me who's not comfortable with the assessment that Microsoft presently has the whip hand.

    Peter Gutmann fails to explain how long Microsoft would have to hold out for before Hollywood caved in and what the rest of the World would be doing in the meantime. What should the deadline have been before Microsoft decided to go ahead and produce an OS without HD media capability ?

    Don't get me wrong, I've no doubt that there are ways in which the systems could be improved. Equally It's easy to believe that Microsoft were willing to play ball because they have a vision of integrated Media technology and want to make sure they are an important, even eventually a controlling part of that. As to some of the language Microsoft has been reduced to using in an attempt to make it all appear peachy, well unfortunate is the kindest description....

    What I think would be useful to hear when there is a challenge to Microsoft/Vista's response to these problems, are real World, real time, marketable alternatives.
     
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    If you remove the "perception and how it "looks"" factor, the progress made over 5 years is NOT significant IMHO, they are only just keeping up with the competition (in general terms), significance implies more than steady/general/average progress (of all operating systems AND MS product line) over the time (5 years) and IMHO Vista's progress has not been more than 2k or XP over their predecessors (from a non "perception and how it "looks" view).

    I think Vista is a better overall product than XP.

    PS My reasons for choosing Linux are to do with MS rather than Vista specific. I would of stayed with XP for a while until my hardware was more suitable of running Vista, but I have many issues with the control they want.

    Off the top of my head:
    The fact their Eula is still not valid in the UK (eg in terms of 3rd party damage limitations, which goes against UK consumer rights) their usage of DRM (especially as we have fair-use in the UK) and the fact my Dell laptop never would activate (MS claim my Key is a pirated key and as its OEM its up-to Dell to sort, but Dell want to charge me).
     
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    I actually don't see that the two assessments as mutually exclusive rather that they dovetail together. Microsoft as the driving force in operating systems worldwide of course had the power position to either incorporate or fail to incorporate such an onerous DRM scheme. But what they decided to hang their hat on was seeing their position in the digital convergence of entertainment strengthened. They forecast that this is going to be the driving force, the next killer ap and have conveniently co opted the HDDVD\BlueRay DRM effort in an attempt to control the channel. (and turn the tables on the MPAA as well)

    basic Microsoft operating proceedure
    "we get the Lion's Share"
     
  13. Pedro

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    Whoo Hooo VIsta rocks really caught the attention. 7th page:)
    All hail Stallman!:D
     
  14. David S

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    Looks like were disagreeing on definitions because to me a steady or even a lesser then steady improvement, keeping up with the times over 5 years adds up to a significant difference in actual use.

    A Lexus is a significant difference over a Model T although over that many years I would be hard pressed to say the progress was significant, but the actual performance is very significant.
     
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    I get ya :)

    Thats quite funny , gave me an idea for an anaology..

    Windows 1.0 = Model T
    Windows Vista = Lexus
     
  16. TimaN

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    In the beginning I was skeptical about installing Vista on my PC after reading all the reviews. Finally decided to go ahead and try it out on a different partition. I run Vista Ultimate, it feels a lot smoother during operation (more like Mac OS X that I use at work). Programs run noticeably faster (at least on my computer) compared to XP. I will gradually migrate to Vista eventually. For now I’m just trying it out learning what it can do and installing compatible software one by one.
     
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    i use vista ultimate for 3 weeks now, and i can tell you i will never use XP Again, is so enjoyble to use vista, it even run more fast in my opinion and i dont have a killer pc, i love the new MCenter i love more now my 360, so yeah i say thanks microsoft for this
     
  18. lodore

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    when i build a new pc soon i would probaly pay the £20 extra to get vista home premium oem rather than xp home oem.
    my lecurer at college told me he would never go bac to xp now he has got vista business on his laptop
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  19. gerardwil

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    May I ask what will be your price for Vista Home PE OEM for your ownbuild machine?

    Gerard
     
  20. EASTER.2010

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    Longhorn (Mooooooo! :D ) err, i mean Vista just naturally :ouch: Ugh!

    Enough said, you know now where my loyalties lie and it sure is not with every new Microsoft release thast has the masses screaming with envy that it is the greatest thing since mom's apple pie. :thumbd:
     
  21. lodore

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    pricing from scan.co.uk
    vista premium oem 32bit £70.49
    http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=527301
    xp home oem is £55 from scan
    not much price different in price really
    i will probaly dual boot opensuse as well thou.
    lodore
     
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    Nice offer, I didn't know you can buy Vista HP, install and get it working on a self build machine for that price.

    Gerard
     
  23. lodore

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    i only found it out the other day and thought i might as well get vista HP instead of xp since its not much more.
    for that £15 extra you get windows Aero and the other features that could be useful
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  24. Meriadoc

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    Well I've had the final Ultimate for a week now. One machine was a fresh install and on another with XP I installed FDISR beta and then Vista in an empty snapshot and made a sharing folder.

    One difference compared with XP, Vista is so fast.
     
  25. lodore

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    acording to all the benchmarks XP is faster and vista is slowed down because of aero
    lodore
     
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