TOR under a VPN

Discussion in 'privacy technology' started by Izzle, Nov 7, 2011.

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  1. mirimir

    mirimir Registered Member

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    Tor may have changed greatly since you bought that. Are updates still available?

    Tor through Tor, VPN aside, would be very slow, I think. Running one VPN through another doesn't reduce throughput very much, but latency adds up.
     
  2. DasFox

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    mirimir don't get me wrong, if you can do what you want great, but why do you think you need to go to these extremes?

    Tor is just to have anonymous internet connectivity and with Tor and one good VPN, that should be more then anyone should ever need. Trying to find someone through Tor and one VPN should be difficult, especially, if you also just sit on an open WiFi. :)

    I'm into all the privacy and security full on, but I think running OpenVPN on a host, then running OpenVPN on a guest, then running Tor last, is giving someone already an extreme amount of protection, all with just one VM, that I can't even imagine why you'd need to go beyond that...

    What are you using pfSense for, so that you firewalling all the VM through it?
     
  3. mirimir

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    I enjoy challenges. I live in a seedy police state, as well.

    The first VPN hides my use of Tor. The last hides me from Tor. Open WiFi is OK, but I'm lazy. I also worry about putting others at risk.

    With a VPN through Tor, I'm no longer limited to TCP traffic. Perhaps I can run an OpenVPN server as a Tor hidden service. That would be cool.

    I use pfSense as an OpenVPN client VM. It's analogous to Ra's Tor gateway. Having it all modular is convenient. Having VPN connections firewalled is good too.
     
  4. caspian

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    I have absolutely no idea. I may send Kyle an email and see what he says.
     
  5. DasFox

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    Sounds good, so give us a bit of a step by step how you're going about this for everyone to learn, of course you don't have to go the pfSense route explaining that unless you want, I personally would rather just go through a Linux VM that's firewalled...


    THANKS
     
  6. mirimir

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    OK, but not today.

    It's much easier using pfSense. pfSense is designed (among other things) to establish and secure VPN tunnels, so it's very intuitive. Some say that FreeBSD pf firewall is more secure than Linux iptables, but I'm not qualified to have an opinion about that.
     
  7. DasFox

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    BSD pf is good stuff, actually you should mention it...

    I've used Free, Open & Net, I'm just more of a Linux geek...

    THANKS
     
  8. addi6584

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    mirimir Id love to see your pfsense write up on VPN3->[Tor->(VPN2->VPN1)]
     
  9. PaulyDefran

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    +2 How do I hang a wireless AP off a PfSense box? 2 NICs?

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  10. mirimir

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    With three NICs, you could have wired LAN and WAP. If you don't need wired LAN, two NICs would be enough. But if WAP fails, repair with no LAN might be hard. Using vLANs with a smart switch, one NIC would be enough. But repair might be seriously hard. There's a whole chapter on wireless in "pfSense: A Definitive Guide", and another chapter on captive portal setup.
     
  11. PaulyDefran

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    I'll check it, thanks. I'd love to build a tiny piece of hardware with 3 NICs....time to hit Newegg.

    Thanks!

    PD
     
  12. mirimir

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    Read the hardware section on the pfSense forum first. People have installed pfSense on old high-end routers. But a minitower PC with a dual-NIC PCIe card is probably easier, and it will handle more traffic. Although Intel NICs cost more, they use less CPU. Old Intel PCIe NICs are cheap, but they're usually PCIe 1, and may not work on PCIe 2 motherboards.
     
  13. DasFox

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    mirimir I thought you were going to write up a HowTo here?


    THANKS
     
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