First, thank you, Blue,Peter and Coldmoon. In the last few days I have tried all the shadow products out there and none seem to fit the bill for what I needed with my kids saving their EA Games. Well ShadowDefender came close but support is iffy. I loved Returnil but could not master it to do what I needed. So with a lot of help from Google, and the new beta version of Returnil, I have maybe found bliss. Thats right Bunkhouse, bliss. First thing I knew I needed to do what to create a partion for the installation of their games. With Googles help created a F drive and installed there. The other problem to overcome is it still created a folder in C:Users/Documents for the saved games. With the new version of Returnil when coming out File Manager will alow you to choose a file or folder to keep without getting blown away. It worked flawlessly. So with this and Sandboxie, I am pretty secure and happy, no AV or AS. Will do periodic scans with Esets online scanner but the bet is it wont find anything. No, I am not ErikAlbert sucure, but totally happy with my setup, and my system is the fastest yet. So sometimes some good advice, along with Google and creativity works. Hats off to Returnil, your beta is great.