Re: Would You Trust This Company ? i wouldnt

Discussion in 'Trojan Defence Suite' started by Checkout, May 22, 2002.

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  1. Checkout

    Checkout Security Rhinoceros

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    Yeah, sure...  Pigs fueled and ready for take-off.  In cse you weren't aware of it, it's not unusual for virus/trojan writers to get in touch with AV/AT companies before they release their code.  In no way does it mean that DCS are complicit in developing malware.  Your accusations are entirely unjustified - and we don't want another round of mud slinging over here, thank you very much.

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  2. Jooske

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    Thanks Checkout.
    The whole conclusion is very illogical in many ways. Helping coders, knowing to decode the products?
    So kers0r you visit trojan forums which throws privacy over the net, identity theft, and seem to excist for security? When goes yours over the web?
    You are very well informed by the trojan coders crew, do they trust you with all that sensible information?
    And now you think to know anything with those abovementioned arguments ... why trying to kick*** a possible member after leaving? Was it for decoding a beloved product somebody worked on very serious?

    Don't worry:
    • DCS and their employees know very fine what they are doing,
    • they create the finest tools in security land,
    • and yes, all these years they made concurrents green with envy, hence the many attack and flame wars (a company not supposed to be any danger would not be worth spoiling energy and mentioning it, would it?)
    • their new version 4 will make many in security land workless
    • keep their operators well protected, clean, in good shape,
    • have taught the world security can be really joyfull
    • take the operators themselves back in the drivers seats
    • many etc etc etc's
    • i am very happy with the many products

    And like said, i hope this explains enough, as this is not the place for flame wars and namecalling.
    Thank for giving the opportunity to say something nice again about this brilliant company.
     
  3. Paul Wilders

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    Hi Kers0r,

    Long time, no see!

    We both know Satans Nest - and the crew. So does DCS (and many, many other anti-trojan software designers). Indeed many of them jump in - I could give you quite some well known names.

    It puzzles me why you do put these kind of actions in a dubious perspective; you and I know it is common practice, and the reasons for doing so: being on top of it. As Rezmond (Bionet author) does by involving in (beta-)testing several security apps.

    I do hope you did not post in this way because we (wilders.org) refused to afilliate with your site; can't imagine that being the reason.

    Puzzling; on your site you do recommend TDS (using a hop.clickbank, generating revenues):

    http://secured.orcon.net.nz/d_3.html

    regards.

    paul
     
  4. Ice_Czar

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    VERY INTERESTING THREAD  :eek:

    This little snapshot of blackops marketing  :D
    and politics

    And the answer is YES, I trust them implicitly
     
  5. bubs

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    MUPPET

    Very hard to compose a suitable reply to the original post. o_O

    Very hard to resist the temptation. :blink:

    The title is a technical term, not an insult - I would never insult anybody on line. :eek:

    I guess we've just seen that the difference between crackers and script kiddies is not just to be found in inability to write good code. :D :D :D

    PS - Bought my TDS-3 this morning
     
  6. Jooske

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    Hi Jooske - I too can lurk with the best of them.  :D Surely with your scripting skills you could animate the DCS logo for us??!! :D ;)

    You wrote

    "And with that access to the private operators forum."

    Its great dealing with a company where you can have email exchanges with the likes of Gavin (or Magnus in the case of TH), but DCS' purchase validation procedures are a bit creaky....... When they've released TDS-4 they need to go buy a proper on-line purchasing system.

    I had to laugh when I pressed 'send' on the 'easy registration' - both Tiny Trojan Trap and my firewall (Outpost) wanted to know if I approved of this 'unknown new app' sending a message.  Reminded me of the cracked registration code fracas.........
     
  8. Jooske

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    Don't quite remember how it was a few years ago when i bought it using the console registration form.
    In fact i have the logo used in several places, and the diamond included in an MSAgent model, but i'm not all happy with that yet so won't spread that around yet.
    You might like to create your free account and upload a nice cropped portrait to be transformed in an MSAgent model for your scripts :) at www.cyberextruder.com so this is where i tried to make the diamond agent and Wayne's Yoda avatar.
    In the private forum i posted lots of those fun scripts, and as long as you keep mine all together in a new folder CokeMachine in the Scripts folder you have them all together and will be able to use the same images like the DCS logo each time where requested.
    Somewhere in the software in user submitted scripts is my famous InnerPeace script which should have the DCS logo and a sound file as well.
    I do some things in them which should not be possible at times, (a-mazing, my specialty is mazes of course) so they are nice as examples for ownh scripts and i'm in a learning process as well of course.
    In this forum nor in the SS3 scripting i found possibilities for animated images yet, but of course you can load a series of images and create your slideshow with a timer and make your own dynamic movie, with or without agents to animate it extra and some wave files with music or text :) So you can make your technical presentation in a rather quick way if you don't like to use a powerpoint thing.
    there are examples to build your database (which i of course translated into datingbase to make clear what kind of model one can use for that; i'm not aware of anybody creating such a project yet, btw, would love to use such a model as a catalog for nasties or my music files or images in several categories, software, etc)
     
  9. TroJanMan

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    well here is it all...we traced his ip...i emailed the satanz crew leader...about your buddy hewholaughs...and now he is kicked out of satanz crew...i have the email to prove it...i will try and post this link one more time...and lets see if this time it will stay unless if theese forum members are too scared to let the truth out...

    URL removed by Forum Admin

    also if you would like to see the email then i will be more than happy to foward it to anybody :)
     
  10. TroJanMan

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    what a better way to make your program more powerful...instead of searching for trojans all over the world to be detected just make your own!
     
  11. Paul Wilders

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    Hi Kers0r,

    {quote]I dont care if my site is affiliated with your site or not i get enough hits, and this is nothing to do with wilders.org as i think you guys are doing a great job.[/quote]

    That's good to hear. Thanks for the compliment.

    We could argue about the definition from "developping trojans" - but I have a feeling we would not come to an agreement. Fact is - and remains, "working from the inside" is very common. No better way to stay on top and thus keeping security software up to date.

    I'm not going to name other security software vendors for the sake of decency; it's not up to us to reveal those names. Either they can reveal them doing so themselves, or contact them and ask.

    Truth has nothing to do with it - isn't even the issue here. We decided the URL comes close enough to what we feel appropriate to remove it.

    A question already answered.

    Meaning, you getting paid is the standard for recommending security software. I'll leave it up to the readers to form their opinion on that.

    Let me state, one of the reasons we (wilders.org) are purely non profit at least provides a non commercial view. Our recommendations and ratings are our own. Therefore, we would never recommend software just for the money: we would sell our visitors short - but that's merely our point of view.

    regards.

    paul  




     



     

     
     
  12. Once again, lies and innuendo masquerade as truth, and the vultures circle overhead.  Welcome back...sort of...Vampirefo's ghost.
     
  13. Unlight

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    yep , unfortunately its True , he who Laughs  who was Traced Back to DCS WAS  PROVED To Work in an ACTIVE Trojan Project by satanz Crew ,Details are logged & Everyone knows that among the forums whom he Used to Frequent , I see its a SHAME That DCS Should Use Such Crooked & childish Methods , I used to be a TDS fan , Not any more , I guess we should know by know What are the STATE Of the ART TECHNIQUES To Detect Both KNOWN & UNKNOWN Trojans , heh
     
  14. Jooske

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    I am very happy with the products, they suit me and made security such a joy on internet.

    Funny, in the other posting was said "if you want to be on top create your won trojans", and now --if this is true-- people are complaining for the possibility this would have been done by a developer? What do you want, eat your own recommendations or only perscribe them to others --in case they would be doing so-- to be able to complain?

    Devoted DCS / TDS operator
    Beta tester
    Wilders Forum DCS moderator
    DCS Fan
    SS3 scripter
     
  15. Paul Wilders

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    Nice having you all visiting us, guys  ;). As far as I'm concerned, there's no need to prove anything. As stated before: "working from the inside" is quite common - and you all know it. As most insiders do know.

    Well. we all know better than that, don't we? Nice try nevertheless.

    That would be a pitty. It's a very nice app, as you are well aware of.

    Nice try!  ;)

    regards.

    paul
     
  16. Jooske

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    And with TDS even detected voice controlled. Nice try, too.
    Yes i do trust them. These guys know what they're talking about.
    Heya Paul, see the guys like your / our forum here. Time for the cool beers or hot coffee? I know, the TDS environments are always nice and user friendly.
    What could be wrong with the other forums, dusting them out or such for lost code(r)s?
     
  17. Pardon me?  SCUM who write trojans are calling other people "childish and crooked"?

    Have you ever considered GETTING A LIFE?
     
  18. Paul Wilders

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    Worse: we host downloads  ;). Not only for DCS/TDS, but many others as well. You don't want to know the bandwidth coming with it and costs. Just a matter of principle; no more, no less.

    I'm not interested in how much money you've made; I'm puzzled how you can recommend TDS on one hand, and have no trust whatever in the software on the other hand. In my book, it's [i'one[/i] of those; the two of them won't go together - if only for the sake of your visitors.

    I'm not trying to make you look stupid at all. I'm just very puzzled a) why you posted as you did in the first place b) how you can combine a recommendation on your site and a condemnation at the same time. Just curious.

    It's your interpretation of the truth; see my comments earlier on.

    As stated above: just puzzled and curious. I for one can't combine some facts.

    Well, no one is looking for a flame war. I'm glad you aren't neither, and thanks for that.

    regards.

    paul
     
  19. Jooske

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    But Checkout, we all know, there is no LIFE without TDS.
    No Cuckericooooo to wake me up and start the coffee machine and all those other remote activities, voice controlled sending and collecting emails, and jumping to the forums to have the latest postings read aloud while i take my morning shower and my fresh croissants aer in the oven and egg is getting boiled?
    Playing my favorite music or news sender in the meantime? O yes, and scanning for possible nasties, as after all it is a security tool in fact. But really, what life would there be without TDS?
     
  20. Unlight

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    man , I dont Know you & I Dont care to , wont Even Bother quoting your Words, I am Very happy in Fact that u Called People who Code Trojans SCUM , Trojan Coders Do it for Fun or to Practise their programming skills ,  I d like to hear what u have to say about Others Who Code Trojans FOR MONEY & People Sheepishly Pay Them , Duh
    P.s:am here in case u have anything to say   :D
     
  21. TroJanMan

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    i bet a bunch of security sites would have a field day if they found out av's develop trojans...
     
  22. Paul Wilders

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    Unlight,

    Well, allow me to react  ;).  It's beside the point - and as Kers0r stated: no one is looking for a flame war here.

    TrojanMan,

    Nice try  ;). I enjoy your company, but should we take this any further? Leading nowhere as it seems..

    regards.

    paul    
     
  23. Paul Wilders

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    For the record: as it seems, posts from Kers0r have been deleted - not by any of our team members, but by Kers0r himself. That's his perogative; I will not question that. We have not been censoring here.

    regards.

    paul
     
  24. Jooske

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    Heya, great party here tonight!

    I would like better proof of your statement.


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  25. Paul Wilders

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    Kers0r,

    As stated before: it's merely an interpretation from the truth. You have not been flamed, other than perhaps by checkout. Sometimes emotions take over.

    I didn't have any intention to make you look stupid; why should I? As you are aware of, mods and admins can delete posts. I wanted to make sure, we did not censor here in any way. That's all there's to it.

    We removed links we felt inapropriate. We do not consider your site as such; it's as simple as that.

    Jooske is a DCS mod over here, and a dedicated one. She stands up for what she believes in. As for facts: a matter of interpretation as stated before.

    This is turning into an endless loop. I'm happy to state once more: working from "the inside" is fairly common. See my former statements about this.

    So you did spoke up. And you obviously are shocked and disagree with "working from the inside" - that's the way I phrase all this. Again: sorry to say, but it happens - all the time.

    Having said all this, I'm still puzzled about you recommending TDS on one hand, and condemning it on the other. We could talk this over using PM if you prefer that. I'm sincerely interested.

    regards.

    paul  

     



     

     
     
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