I turned off my pc for awhile, I wanted things to sit after all had been removed. I booted, ran ad-aware an it found some more... 12 in fact, cydoor made it back in and a few others, one was written as sextext... i quickly deleted it. I didn't want to know anymore about it! LOL I'm running tds3 again, just to make sure. It's probably my fault my isp in allowed on za, my first experience with a firewall would not let me connect, so i assumed clicking yes to allow that program to access the internet was the correct answer. Now I'm confused. BTW, I'm more then exhausted, my eyes feel like they might pop out of my head! LOL I'm going to take some time, rest my eye's, then read through the thread and soak it all in and see what else I need to do. Everyone has been EXTREMELY helpful.