NAV...past glory

In the end, ANY successful mainstream product must be competitive in "price" and "bangs for the $".

 

As for the SYMC merger, this was a $13B acquisition of a company with a history of much slower growth. However, there will always be a need to preserve data in a corporate environment.

The days of explosive growth in the AV business may be on the decline. If all online PCs had a working version of a FREE AV, then I suspect the threat of virus infection would be cut by at least 70%. Microsoft should work out a deal with Avast to bundle Avast Home with each new copy of WXP/WXP Pro. That's the most effective solution to the security issue. Note that WXP already comes with a stripped down version of the ZA firewall.

 

And throw in few free spyware detectors. Security should be FREE. That's the only way to achieve widespread compliance. Of course those who demand >90% detection rate can fork over extra $ for the paid proggies.

In the end, this approach will save Microsoft $, and spare users of windows the headache of world wide infections.

Ad Aware, Spybot, and Avast Home should be widely distributed like Adobe and WinZip.

I hope Uncle Bill is reading this post!

 

where did you get the idea that windows came with a stripped down zonealarm ??

 

From MSFT. And the WXP's zip extractor is a kissing cousin of WinZip.

 

you wouldn't have the link to that article would you? I would be interested in reading it.

 

Norton is not that secure against piracy. Firstly I do not now or ever promote piracy. However, to prove a point, I showed a friend of mine who is an avid software cracker, and could not get Norton 2005 to work, just how to crack it. It is realitively easy with keygen and a little forethought.

 

YES, the perfect time to buy. Would you have rather have bought it a couple of days ago BEFORE the 30% haircut. Ever hear of Warren Buffet? He was the richest man in America until Billy Gates came along. W.Buffet made his billions by purchasing stock immediately after it got knocked down, just like this.

Acadia

 

No...but I got this bit of info from a MSFT's software manager. Perhaps another member can provide links that would contradict this.

 

Warren would NEVER paid premium for a 35 PE stock. If you discount pro forma and options, then we're talking about 50 PE. But, he may be accumulating PFE and MRK. Top notch drug companies with 10 PE and 2.5-5% yield.

 

lol yes, of course. I think the burden of proof would be on you this time.

 

If you have the $ to pay for long distance to MSFT support, then you can ask for Ke-Jin Bao. Spoke with this gentleman when WXP first came out.

I believe MSFT still provide an 800 number for corporate support.

 

Your sarcasm has come back to slap you in your own face. Why? Because you think you're pointing out that my example was senseless, but in actuality, my example was purposely made that way to point out that the one it was based out was... hopeless! Three guesses who made that first example.

I'm done. Arguing with my 2-year-old daughter is tougher than this.
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we need to keep this thread a little more civil. no more personal attacks or trying to belittle another member or I will close it.

bigc

 

Acquired one share of BRKA in November 87 but never had the opportunity to interface with Mr. Buffett (with two Ts) in person. Back then, 1000 volume day was huge for Berkshire stock. BRKA doesn't deal with high flying techs. That's not Mr. B's style cause he doesn't understand technology. Course this may change with Bill Gates' recent appointment to the board.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/pr?s=BRK-A

 

Norton is the #1 selling antivirus because it is THE brand name - like Kleenex or Levi's.

If most new computers came bundled with KAV, viruses and other junk would be cut down dramatically. I've heard that Longhorn will come with an antivirus built-in (RAV) but I don't know for sure.

 

Fellow Creatures,
BigC, do not close it yet please. I have found this interesting (except for the personal insults). Wow, so much meat here in this thread.

Micro$$ is getting into the security bizz that is for sure. I am not sure who is copying who. SYMC has bought their way into everything. Remember Gates imo really does not have the best OS. He just won the war and dominates. Same with SYMC. Marketing... Marketing and more marketing alliances the winning story of SYMC.

Av is not a commodity yet, but it is getting close.

SYMC is attempting to keep it's growth on a upward path by offering a total solution like I think it was NOD32_9 stated. It might not work. Time will tell if the Veritas deal will work or not. It is clear the smart money has concerns. By the way Mercurie has been in and out of SYMC for years and never lost money on the stock. I picked up a few shares at 25.59. IMO it fell to far to fast. I had no position in the stock before that anouncement of VERITAS.

Again as I have said before (maybe not here at the Wilders) wide distribution and useage does not equal best or even second best.

Main stream do not care about the internal workings. Most users or consumers. My boss, 'I keep renewing Norton because it's on there already and I do not want to bother changing it". See what I mean an alliance with an OEM will get you a guaranteed stream of income. Also my wife whoopie.

Now BigC, MFE is a fine product imo. They made some corporate missteps nothing serious, but SYMC just seemed to be a more foucused company biz wise. See, although MFE has done very well, really it is very widely distributed, and is imo a clear second place winner in well recognized (at present).

NOD32_9: on the mark again with the drug companies.

I do not think XP2 firewall is a lite version of Zone Alarm were did that come from

I think I will stop now or I might have to take Celebrax for finger joint pain. LOL NOT!

 

Dunno if the FW in SP2 is related to the original FW shipped with WXP. My guess is that it's the same with minor mods.

I also play the rebound on SYMC with an entry price of 23.88 yesterday. Covered my SYMC shorts several days ago but wanted to wait for 3 days to flush out the weak hands on margin (3 day settlement rule). Easy $ was IACI. 19.56 to 28.88 in two months (yup sold it a few minutes after the opening bells). CAH was another lucky guess. Average entry price in Nov was around 41. Sold everything yesterday at 58. Technicals look great, but didn't want to push my luck with a very expensive market (10 year low volatility index).

McAfee is widely distributed in the corporate environment.

 

Buy low, sell high. SYMC's 30% haircut doesn't even show up on the chart. My $ is on PFE.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=5y&s=PFE&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=symc

 

Sounds like you are doing just fine. . Buffet was mentioned earlier I am sure he would agree with us it is a little rich. And yes I agree with you on MFE. As always I have enjoyed speaking with you. (and reading your posts)

 

Well, can't please all the people all the time. Don't know everything but I do try to help people if I can. What goes around comes around.

 

Probably I missunderstood the topic, but back to when I can find that glory?

Best regards,
Firefighter!

 

I thought it was a stripped down version of Tiny Firewall.

 

The glory is in the advertising.

 

I remember only the miseries during the uninstalling process of NAV.

The second thing is that, when you are buying a new PC, you have to go from store to store so far as you can detect a product without NAV installed in it!

Best regards,
Firefighter!