my set up...??

i dont know why people bother paying for security products .. im just going to use the £40 to purchase more ram and run a few freebies at no cost to system rescources...because 4gig is more than enough and its a one off payment instead of yearly..


obviously i permissioned the trojan to install .. but not before scanning the setup file on my desktop.. eset missed the compressed files in the installation package ..

 

Hello,

Are you currently being an internet gateway for Pentagone employees ?
You should only need an HIPS or personnal firewall (if you are protected by an ADSL switch, including natively NAT/Firewall features) and NOD32 as Anti-virus and anti-malware, speaking about real time protection. Now you can add off-line scanners like spybot or equivalent...

It is hazardous to multiply real time detection : in case of threat found, there would risk to over-kill themselves... And I'm not speaking about ressources consumption...

Regards

 

im only running for the last month ..

i am using windows f/w behind router firewall and nod32 av only..i have the extra security in vista fully enabled..

the trojan was detected by several on-demand scanners before i do a weekly back up to a seperate caddied drive which acts as back up for 2 comps .. so i scan my machines with on demand scanners prior to backing up...

the list in the first post was what i was running on xp...

people here said it was too much... so ive experimented now with minimal protection and been hit twice in a month now instead of prior on xp maybe 3 things in 4 years with previous set ups...

 

Event occurred during an attempt to access the file by the application: C:\Program Files\CCleaner\CCleaner.exe

Yes , because ESET detect real threats . Other programs just remove files so that there is something they can do . At least they must be doing something when installed - if they can't find real malware , they should at least remove some unnecessary temp file or traces , whatever.

If you still trust Windows Defender , BO Clean , Spyware Terminator &co. more , please , next time post about something they have found and where it was found . It can easily be proved what it is/was.


Greetings!

 

am i talking a different language here...


i have taken onboard all the people who have replied opinions ..

i decided to run only nod32 av on my new vista machine...


rest explained above...

it is a brand new machine 7 week old .. now the on-demand scanners when first installed and used show any FPs then ..
and if i clean with CCleaner first before i scan with them they have nil results as anything they did show when machine came out of box was white listed ..
CCleaner takes care of any cookies etc that some of these programs sometimes flag up......
none have any running processes when inactive if they do i disable them in services until i need them again ,, then i use the installer package to repair them..

i back up every week to external drive so i clean and scan with several anti malware products ..
on ths occassion i scanned in-depth with eset first ..
it found the trojan and ato quarranteened so i restored it and ran several other anti malware products to see if they nailed it as well .. superanti spyware flagged it as did malwarebytes .. so did prevvx and spyware doctor all scan were in-depth...
i then ran another in-depth scan with nod32 and it removed 4 items..
superanti spyware then also removed 5 items and malware bites 2 more remnants...i deleted any restore points and then backed up to external drive....


i have no doubt eset disabled the trojan .. my point was it left more than 50% of it on my machine...
and the programs you guys recommended i dump would of dis-infected it better..

i have no doubt nod32 was top rated at the review sites i used before choosing it because it was best over-all av...

but it also missed the trojan after i downloaded the setup files it was hidden in to my desktop and then scanned with nod32..
but malwarebytes also missed it at that stage along with Asqared free also..

Asquared also missed any trace before it was deleted as did AVG AS free..

after cleaning with all 3 programs .. i scanned again with 2 non deleting scanners prevvx and spyware doctor...that also flagged it up but both detected no trace ...

i am firmly now in the belief that a cheap one off payment for extra ram and the use of 4 basic free programs AVG AV free ..
spyware terminator { with hips active } .. spyware blaster active X .. shields and a free process guard such as winpatrol..from bootup..
and they wouldnt use half the increased ram either... in the preceeding 4 years i have only had at most 4 infections all self inflicted by downloading from sites i havent properly checked out on a search engine first .. and then also being missed by on-demand scans whilst on desktop pre installation whilst still in a compressed state..

i have had 2 infections now get past eset in one month already...

 

I agree with other buddy here, you run too much program to protect your pc.

But......

You seems to go in the dark side of the net, and P2P, because you had more infections newly than me, and surely many others here, in several years on Internet. And I have only antivirus NOD32 v2.7, free firewall, SpywareBlaster and Spybot immunization. Yes, just that in a Pentium 3 733 and 512 Mb ram.... Your 4 Gig of memory makes me laugh....

Problem is not minimal or basic protection, it is your type of Internet surfing. The problem is YOU in front of the keyboard and what YOU do with your pc. Accept, take your risks and do not come here crying that NOD32 does not protect you enough.

May be you need more protection but not ALL you told us

I dont know why people like you take all these risk, close your "pentagone" pc and go take a walk. Enjoy....

Regards

 

thanks for that piranah ..

dont really understand why you bothered replying as you obviously didnt read the thread ..
if you had of done you would know im no beginner or surfing illiterate....

90% of my computors usage is on-line .. i administer a blue chip companies website/forum as part of my income { gaming industrie } and the rest playing poker .... i knew full well that all the programs i listed in 1st posting was overkill if all used at the same time .. however they were not all active all the time..

You seems to go in the dark side of the net, and P2P, because you had more infections newly than me, and surely many others here, in several years on Internet. And I have only antivirus NOD32 v2.7, free firewall, SpywareBlaster and Spybot immunization. Yes, just that in a Pentium 3 733 and 512 Mb ram.... Your 4 Gig of memory makes me laugh....


again if you had bothered to read the thread you would of seen that my limewire usage was a one off period to download 1500/2000 tracks then it was uninstalled and just the installation package kept...
and all downloads were scanned by several programs after each 2 or 3 day session... and it was on a different computor ...
as for surfing the darkside .. well i dont think 4 infections {trojans/spyware } tracking cookies excluded .. in more than 4yrs is putting me in the risk taker bracket .. the trojan that got on my machine this time was downloaded as part of a media player for on-line TV..
and i apparently make you laugh running 2 gig of ram .. and talking about increasing to 4 gig... as your half a gig does for you //
well with your half gig i dont think my files would even open ..
this was why i need extra ram...
being able to run a couple more security programs aswell due to the extra ram .. would be a bonus..

im going to increase the ram in this to 4 gig so i dont have to keep turning page filing on when updating my stats files which are massive ..
142 MB (149,478,401 bytes)
thats about average size of file i deal with in excel...
each page holds a million rows of data and even with my paging file increased passed the recommended size i still get a low system memory warning box with this new comp vista home premium when filtering/cutting and pasting etc large areas/chunks of data...


quote
Problem is not minimal or basic protection, it is your type of Internet surfing. The problem is YOU in front of the keyboard and what YOU do with your pc. Accept, take your risks and do not come here crying that NOD32 does not protect you enough.

May be you need more protection but not ALL you told us

I dont know why people like you take all these risk, close your "pentagone" pc and go take a walk. Enjoy....

as stated before .. maybe before you come on a thread talking down to someone you should be bothered to atleast read the thread instead of just the posts that catch your eye..

the part where you mention spybot S&D demonstrates to me that you are clueless .. you may have done a little research several years ago .. and still value it .. whereas you are as out of date as S&D a software that isnt worth tuppence in todays world... and has been standing still for about 3 years now getting further and further behind its competitors as the writor has lost interest which you would know if ever you read his blog...also instead of having spybot on your machine you could of immunized using the same stand alone host file avaliable from several places...


i hope anyone else that replies reads the whole thread before doing so....

 

I did read all posts here an I did read yours again. English is not my fist language but i usually understand well what i read. May be i didnt this time but.....

There is no evidence for me in your post that you are more than a power user and even less that you own "companies website/forum". And if many here talk about Pentagon or similar, I am not the only one who may not understand you. Right !??

Perhaps you were not rather clearly. May be I missed something and badly understood.

BTW, spybot create a host file.

 

BTW, spybot create a host file..

spybot uses the host file avaliable on spyware warriors site..
this one i think IE-SPYAD but its been awhile since i checked spybot out ... so it may be different or i may be mistaken about the host file name...

i apologise if i have offended you m8..

i did not say i owned the blue chip company .. i said i administer the uk side of site ops and content....i also play poker 12 hours a day whilst overseeig to that...

my comp is basically on 24/7 unless i reboot to freshen up. occasionally ..


as for my first posting i ran a combination of them on XP in between full trial versions of all the top brand AVs and ASs including security suites .. there arnt many that i havent given a full trial to...

as for a power user .. as long as i can play my sounds .. have 2 or 3 internet pages open and a poker site up and running sometimes 2 sites .. thats all i need/use a comp for the vast majority of the time ..

about 10 hours a week im using office 2007 excel... thats when i struggle for system rescources..

 

this is my new machine specs..


Windows Vista Home Premium Service Pack 1 (build 6001) HP-Pavilion GB393AA-ABU a6085.uk
System Serial Number: ~~~~~
Enclosure Type: Desktop
Processor a Main Circuit Board b
2.67 gigahertz Intel Core 2 Duo
64 kilobyte primary memory cache
4096 kilobyte secondary memory cache Board: ASUSTek Computer INC. LEONITE 5.00
Serial Number: MS1C74S07702753
Bus Clock: 266 megahertz
BIOS: Phoenix Technologies, LTD 5.17 04/20/2007
Drives Memory Modules c,d
400.09 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
253.80 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space

HL-DT-ST DVDRRW GSA-H30L [CD-ROM drive]

Generic- Compact Flash USB Device [Hard drive] -- drive 1
Generic- MS/MS-Pro USB Device [Hard drive] -- drive 4
Generic- SD/MMC USB Device [Hard drive] -- drive 3
Generic- SM/xD-Picture USB Device [Hard drive] -- drive 2
Hitachi HDT725040VLA360 [Hard drive] (400.09 GB) -- drive 0 2046 Megabytes Installed Memory

Slot 'A0' has 1024 MB
Slot 'A1' is Empty
Slot 'A2' has 1024 MB
Slot 'A3' is Empty
Local Drive Volumes

c: (NTFS on drive 0) 392.86 GB 253.17 GB free
d: (NTFS on drive 0) 7.23 GB 629 MB free

 

I found NOD32 alowing things to slip by as well. I currently have no security installed.[]
I like learning the hard way!

My lapbox came with Vista home premium. Kasperskied it, Webrooted it, FWed it; Developed a Virtual infection. Was real nasty. Multi partitions, Multi OS's-1 Vista, 1 Linux, Hybrid MBR.
They clustered the linux under the vista giving me 2200kb downloads on 768 dsl. It was truly amazing. It became unstable when I switched to XP Pro. Apparently, hybrid MBR's are touchy, if parameters change they bsod.
Note-The above is specially crafted, if you have a TOS Satellite 7422 it could infect you too. But you would also have to download it.

Just don't argue with any OS developers in forums then get site help where you are sent offsite to fix, then you won't have a problem like mine.
I am not sure that it is clean yet. I haven't been able to wipe effectively yet. Block wipers are no good for the new drive technologies (2002 onward). I know I'm still stuck, my clock is 1 hour off. I know I can change it but it should adjust to the correct time on it's own. Turning DST on or off does not affect it. Could be something in CMOS.

What poker site/s do you play at?
I used to play at Pstars, UB, Fulltilt. But until I'm sure I'm clean, you won't see me dropping cash there. Also, I will not use a poker sites software if they won't allow it to run in a virtual machine environment; like Retunil 1.7 free. (coughPokerstars)
Sorry, I think I'm developing an allergy.

As for security, a developer at MS (RKU developer) suggested using Vista 64bit. The kernel is redesigned code, so will take time for malware writers to catch up. He also said that 64bit has additional security features not found in 32bit.

No one AV catches all. It is best to have multi approach, 1 resident and the rest on-demand.
For the sake of argument, Kaspersky 7.0 with on-demand; Norman Malware Scanner, Dr. Web CureIt, MWAV(really good scanner, download fresh don't use the update feature), SAS, Asquared Antimalware 3.5, Flash Disinfector(for USB sticks), Keep a copy Trojan hunter around.

 

I been using nod32 only, but i also have a very good hardware firewall and the windows firewall enabled. I have not been infected for as long as i can remember. Currently use Vista, but been using XP for several years as well. If i download something i don't trust i been using virustotal and threatexpert or sandboxie. I cannot understand why it's necessary to use that many security products on a single computer, but people must be allowed to do whatever they want.

What exactly do you mean by hit? I use my computer online most of the time (like most others) and not sure how it's possible to get infected twice in a month if you think before you accept stuff, don't visit certain type of websites and don't use software illegally (keygens, cracks and illegal downloads). Another thing i have seen using virustotal is that many antivirus and antispyware have a lot of false positives so using 8 security products there is a great chance that many detections might not be real threats. Nod32 is one of the products that have few false positives as far as i know.

 

I am thinking that with the money spent on all those programs, you could have easily purchased another cheap PC for browsing the web; going to sites that were not deemed safe, downloading music whatever. Then you have a secure PC and a PC that you can wipe clean at a moments notice and not lose anything important.

Regards,
TAd

 

ladrokes and betfair .. i also trade on bf a little ..

thats all ive ever had 1 resident av.. .. i prefer to have as many on demand softwares as possible.. .. never tried the norman malware scanner .. will now tho ..trojan hunter is another i will download the installer package of aswell..

nod has missed nothing this month .{april }

 

by hit i mean a trojan downloader hidden in compressed files that were scanned on demand by nod before installation from desktop.
it was hidden in a media player i downloaded for on-line tv.. see previous posting for details..

firewalls same as you .. did you know that in vista the ms firewall is a 2 way f/w .. however ms do not think their average customer has te brains to configure it .. so its oneway by default..

as stated not keen on sandboxie .. and even the best of the best av scanners miss malware in compressed/zipped download files.
so as long as you have enough on demand scanners you will
nail anything that gets past the initial desktop scan whilst compressed
as for uploading to virustotal i have a few times .. but too much hassle to be honest..
as for the amount of products where the harm in having them in reserve they cost nothing and they use nil system rescources so like i say what harm is there in keeping them ..

my surfing habits are no different to anyone elses i take care when downloading .. i google check first if its a product/site thats new to me to see if others have found it dodgy.. never bothered with torrents and key cracks ever..unless you include limewire in that ..

as for false positives / cookies being flagged im well switched on to them .. just white list it. .. and no AV or AS is immune to giving FPs even nod..

all i am running now from boot up is nod av and thats it i have uninstalled threatfire.. no othr running processes for security programs at all. no other services nothing just nod

 

what money... what have i paid for..?

there are not many products out there that you cannot find a key to and turn into a full version if you know how to use a search engine properly ..
even nod32......

and i have never paid for ms office either.. now use 2007 pro ..

i wontever lose anything important again as i back up to a caddied HD..as previously stated..
and both my machines are clean and stay that way apart from the odd infraction..

 

Something tells me that you download a lot of stuff and browse a lot using insecure sources. I browse a lot of websites and download stuff as well, but while you got hit (as you said) twice in a month i might have got hit twice in 4 years, but not infected since it was detected.
But the thing is to find a balance between security and usability. You could install 50 security products on your computer and have them all running which would be a mess and the computer would most likely be unusable. You could disconnect the computer from internet as well that should make your computer safe, but then it's pretty useless as well. Using your brain while connected to internet is just as useful as installing 8 security product and then you have a working computer also.

No offense, but i find it a bit silly to brag about how you never pay for software and use it illegally instead. This is not a warez board. With such a statement I would be surprised if you even paid for nod32.

Yes i know Vista is a 2 way firewall and by default allow all outgoing and that's the way i want it. I don't want to block a lot of outgoing traffic since i see no reason to do so. I don't use warez so i'm not scared about the "calling home" stuff. Neither do i want popups all the time asking for permission to do something on my computer. I trust that i have the brain to know what i'm doing and so far not been infected as far as i know.

Well i see no reason why i should waste a lot fo time scanning each file 10 times. Uploading to virustotal is just as fast then and you won't need to install a lot of stuff on your own computer. Security product often cause issues when several is installed on the same computer. Also i do not download a lot of stuff where there is a great chance it might be infected so won't need such service a lot.

All software use system resources while running and some use a lot.

Then why do you get that many infected files on your computer?

I'm not talking about cookies. Most antivirus software that is worth using ignore cookies or have the option to do so. While some might not agree i find cookies to be no threat and since most AV software ignore them i guess i'm not alone with that opinion. I know that no AV is immune to FPs, but some have a LOT of them and if you use 10 scan engines there is a great chance that you get a lot of them compared to most other that use 1 or 2. You are twisting my words if you claim that is said nod32 is immune to FPs. Do you also know that some engine always detect upx compressed files as a threat even if it's not?....the same goes for some other formats. So if you just believe those 10 engines you use then you might be fooled with a lot of FPs.

If i had to scan everything with every AV software that exists i would waste so much time that's not an option for me. I use my computer mostly for work and sometimes play games. I don't have the time to spend half of the time being paranoid.

 

i think your reply is more a wind up .. than trying to be helpful more like you think your talking to some little greenhorn..

pity you couldnt be bothered to read the whole tread before replying..


Something tells me that you download a lot of stuff and browse a lot using insecure sources. I browse a lot of websites and download stuff as well, but while you got hit (as you said) twice in a month i might have got hit twice in 4 years, but not infected since it was detected.
But the thing is to find a balance between security and usability. You could install 50 security products on your computer and have them all running which would be a mess and the computer would most likely be unusable. You could disconnect the computer from internet as well that should make your computer safe, but then it's pretty useless as well. Using your brain while connected to internet is just as useful as installing 8 security product and then you have a working computer also.

something tells you wrong .. and instead of assuming you should of read the thread then you would see prior to that trojan i very rarely got anything in my machines..
and im using nod32 only ffs any on demand scanners are cash and system rescourse free .. and cannot possibly effect my computors stability and i cannot remember the last thing i downloaded thats how big a downloader i am .. i go thru patches where i will experiment with a free trial or 2 thats my lot .
as for using my brain whilst surfing i may give that a try ..thanks for the advice..


No offense, but i find it a bit silly to brag about how you never pay for software and use it illegally instead. This is not a warez board. With such a statement I would be surprised if you even paid for nod32.

another reply that makes me think your aim was to wind me up rather than be practical advice..
theres nothing illegal about finding a mass product key and using it oneself... im beginning to think your a bit of a drama queen...
and if microsoft dont want people like me using their products free they should make them more secure .. im not IBM or SHELL so i found a key in 20 seconds flat with a google search instead of £400 to turn the trial into a full version..
and as previously stated i dont use torrents.


Yes i know Vista is a 2 way firewall and by default allow all outgoing and that's the way i want it. I don't want to block a lot of outgoing traffic since i see no reason to do so. I don't use warez so i'm not scared about the "calling home" stuff. Neither do i want popups all the time asking for permission to do something on my computer. I trust that i have the brain to know what i'm doing and so far not been infected as far as i know.

ah the old derogatory brain thing again .. throw in the warez bit aswell ..ffs...

Well i see no reason why i should waste a lot fo time scanning each file 10 times. Uploading to virustotal is just as fast then and you won't need to install a lot of stuff on your own computer. Security product often cause issues when several is installed on the same computer. Also i do not download a lot of stuff where there is a great chance it might be infected so won't need such service a lot.


what issues can my scanners cause when they have no active serives and are on demand only .. set to manual start in services
all this you would have seen had you read the thread .. and indeed if you have read the thread then i believe you a just being a pillock .. how many times do i have to explain about the way i use the on demand scanners before backup or my surfing habits and my downloading practices if you cant be bothered to take in what i have said then best you say nowt in future..


All software use system resources while running and some use a lot.

how many times do you need telling mine use nothing nil zilch .. not one system rescource..until i click to open them...then i use them one at a time in the back ground over the period of a day before i backup..


Then why do you get that many infected files on your computer?


i wouldnt call 3/4 infections in 4/5 years alot .. again a read of the thread would have told you that ..another deliberate wind up post imo..


I'm not talking about cookies. Most antivirus software that is worth using ignore cookies or have the option to do so. While some might not agree i find cookies to be no threat and since most AV software ignore them i guess i'm not alone with that opinion. I know that no AV is immune to FPs, but some have a LOT of them and if you use 10 scan engines there is a great chance that you get a lot of them compared to most other that use 1 or 2. You are twisting my words if you claim that is said nod32 is immune to FPs. Do you also know that some engine always detect upx compressed files as a threat even if it's not?....the same goes for some other formats. So if you just believe those 10 engines you use then you might be fooled with a lot of FPs.

If i had to scan everything with every AV software that exists i would waste so much time that's not an option for me. I use my computer mostly for work and sometimes play games. I don't have the time to spend half of the time being paranoid.
May 10th, 2008 03:50 AM

well i only ever have one AV on my comp so i wouldnt know about these 10 imaginary ones youtalk about ..

but over the last 5 years ive used on a full time basis AVG 2 years
AVAST 1 year KAV 1 year and now NOD ..
i dont play games on my comp i grew out of that 40 years ago..
and i fail to see how you know you have a clean machine if you dont get a second or third opinion

i feel your whole reply has been given in a arragant critical manner just to illicit a response glad i could oblige you..

 

I didn't wind you up.....you should be given all the credit for that. I only gave you my opinion.

Well actually it is illegal if the software is not freeware and you don't have a license that you bought yourself. If MS software isn't secure doesn't mean it's legal to use without paying for the software. It's not legal to steal a car because it's easy. This has nothing to do with being a drama queen.....just stating the fact that it's not legal. You heard about copyright?
And i'm not talking about the free software you use. I'm referring to your statement when some talked about paying for software when you said just google and find a key and that is illegal unless the software is free without any doubt.

As i said "while runnnig".....that means while running and not when installed. Also some security software installs drivers that is present all the time even when the software is deactivated.

You said yourself that you got hit twice in a month when i asked you what you mean by got hit. So if you choose to change your mind now to 3/4 infections in 4/5 years then don't blame me since i belived you when you said twice in a month. So i found it to be pretty much to be hit twice in a month which is what i stated as well.

Well no can be 100% sure even with 10 opinions, but i monitor my network traffic and see anything abnormal that would be generated by a lot of trojans, worms, virus and other stuff i don't want. This is done on my network equipment and not the computer. Also my computer is working without any strange issues or corrupted files so if i'm infected at the moment it does no harm whatsoever.

Well no offense, but yes you could say it's a bit critical because i try to understand why you need that many security products. The "glad i could oblige you" is nosense though. I also tell you that i do not agree with such an approach. Basically what make you annoyed is that i don't agree with you. There is no right or wrong in this case.....if it works for you then fine, but you must accept other peoples opinions and that some might not agree.....it's a board available for everyone and you posted in the public.

You're welcome...

 

what has got my goat is nonsense like this...

As i said "while runnnig".....that means while running and not when installed. Also some security software installs drivers that is present all the time even when the software is deactivated.

complete nonsense .. if set to manual under services nothing runs ...
in setting certain programs to manual you will criple that software ..
example avg avtispyware wants to run guard.exe all the time .. setting it to manual in services means the next time i want to use it i have to repair it from the installer package..

and this nonsense ..I didn't wind you up.....you should be given all the credit for that. I only gave you my opinion.

you express an opinion on cherry picked points which have been covered by other posters in an attempt to keep making me repeat myself for your own silly sense of enjoyment..



You said yourself that you got hit twice in a month when i asked you what you mean by got hit. So if you choose to change your mind now to 3/4 infections in 4/5 years then don't blame me since i belived you when you said twice in a month. So i found it to be pretty much to be hit twice in a month which is what i stated as well.

you must have a hard time understanding english ..
since using nod32 only on my my new vista machine without any other security products running at all i have had 2 infections get past it .. comprende now...
again its as clear as crystal if only you had bothered reading the thread..

Well no offense, but yes you could say it's a bit critical because i try to understand why you need that many security products. The "glad i could oblige you" is nosense though. I also tell you that i do not agree with such an approach. Basically what make you annoyed is that i don't agree with you. There is no right or wrong in this case.....if it works for you then fine, but you must accept other peoples opinions and that some might not agree.....it's a board available for everyone and you posted in the public.


again just a thinly dressed hook for me too gag on...
the .. that many products comment etc .. when it would be apparent even to a blind man now that i use one product only..
and i couldnt give a rats arse whether you agree with me or not ..
i was neither seeking your approval or your disproval..
my hope was that i may learn something from someone i didnt already know...and i sure aint gonna glean anything from a wind up artiste like you ..

and i wont be wasting anymore time replying to your baits from this point on either..

 

..double post

 

That is not completely true for some software, but believe whatever makes you happy.

I asked you what you meant by "got hit" and since you don't remeber i'll refresh your memory: "by hit i mean a trojan downloader hidden in compressed files that were scanned on demand by nod before installation from desktop.
it was hidden in a media player i downloaded for on-line tv.. see previous posting for details" you also said so ive experimented now with minimal protection and been hit twice in a month now instead of prior on xp maybe 3 things in 4 years with previous set ups

And my comment where basically "how did you get hit twice in a month". You did not mention that the infections got past nod32 when you replied. I got no problem understanding english as long as you reply properly.

This has nothing to do with my approval or not. It's still a public forum where everyone is allowed to reply with their opinions. It seems like i really offended you in some way which i find really strange. Don't blame me for the "wind up" part. You deserve all the credit for that.

 

anybody else got anything interesting to post relating to the thread ..

how do you do with your poker .. Searching