From the latest LangaList: "2) McAfee's Forced Upgrade? Dennis Faas, who writes the "Infopackets" site and newsletter ( http://www.infopackets.com/ ), sent this along: This week, my hard drive suddenly became corrupt and I lost over 35 gigabytes of information. While I was lucky enough to salvage my most important files, the rescue operation took over 8 hours to complete. Did my firewall fail and allow hackers to gain control of my system? Was I missing the latest Windows fix from Microsoft's Windows Update web site? Did I forget to update my virus scanner? Uncertain what caused the corruption of my hard drive, I decided to double-check the three possibilities. I quickly moved down the list: my firewall was up to date; there were no new Windows updates from Microsoft. The only other option was to ensure that my McAfee virus scanner had the latest virus definitions (DAT). ... When Dennis went to the McAfee site, what he found was surprising: Using the normal update link, he was told that he had to upgrade his AV engine to a newer version--- in other words, he had to buy a newer copy of McAfee's software in order to use the latest anti-virus definitions. But when he poked around the site, he found there still was a way just to grab the definitions, and that they'd work fine with his current engine: No upgrade was really needed after all. It appears that McAfee is simply using strong-arm tactics to try to get people to upgrade, when there's actually no technical requirement that they do so. I'm summarizing here because Dennis' email was long; but if you want to see his full letter, it's here: http://www.langa.com/extras/mcafee.htm It raises some very interesting questions about the way McAfee is doing business..." PeteNote - Simply one more reason you'll never find anything McAfee on this computer.