Is TDS-4 a high priority for you?

Discussion in 'Trojan Defence Suite' started by richrf, Jun 4, 2005.

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  1. tuatara

    tuatara Registered Member

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    That is funny !

    agree on that, everybody is talking about a layered security stack.
    The larger companies are building those themself (Symantec/Kaspersky etc.)

    Is TDS-4 a high priority for you?

    That depends how it works with Kaspersky etc. and what the extra's
    are. TDS-3 has besides the Anti-Trojan part a lot of nice network-features etc.

    If TDS-4 is something like BOCLEAN (the opposite of on-demand AT and nothing else) it has little prio for me.
    I hope (expect) it will be a TDS-3 plus, but faster! and extra features.

    But it would be nice if there was a website or so, where you could see,
    which security progs can work together and which not.
    Or which are covering the same security layer(s) (overlap)

    How else are you going to built your layered security defense system?

    Another problem is, if one of your products decides to add a new layer,
    you still can have a problem.

    And there are little security specialists that have the knowledge/experience
    with a lot of brands software that work in the same layer-level and about other parts of the stack.
    With other words, or they know a lot about Anti Virus progs,
    but little regarding spyware etc.
    or they know all the products of one brand,
    and think those all are the best in the field.

    BTW
    A Tuatara is a species of it's own, like a living dinosaur,
    it looks like a lizard, but in fact is not.
    A Tarantula is an insect, Tuatara's eat insects
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  2. musicman

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    DiamondCS's products are well known and respected in their field. This is a very interesting thread due to the direction and concentration of antivirus softwares on trojan,worm and malware detection. Over the last 6 months major software's in the area have enhanced and have improved their detection capabilities in this area...... I have tried TDS out for example and its second to none.......but the way the trend is going and development of multi-functional antivirus software's where does it leave Trojan software application to go?? Just a quick example.....VirusChaser antivirus software which is somewhat a unknow software from Korea....has a enormous trojan/malware database, its scan engine is from Dr.Web. Their software is updated 5 times per day. My point being they are one of many moving in the drection I mentioned above.
     
  3. tuatara

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    The only thing i am really waiting for, is that the Open Source Community
    will start it's own Anti Malware program.

    Then thing will really go fast! End better for the end user!

    :D
     
  4. Jooske

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    Don't worry, TDS still has the largest database and lots of detection added before the malware is even released, the DiamondCS team is all on top.
    Did you notice the over 100 PRIMARIES a day added?
    Further they created a series of separate tools, and more energy is put into prevention.
    Install those with the JavaCool and GhostSecurity tools besides the DiamondCS tools (and i mean complete with all the freeware too!) and you have a wonderful series of protection.
     
  5. Notok

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    I made a request for a unified interface for all the DCS apps some time ago, and it was stated that this is already planned. I can't wait! I'd put that on a higher priority than TDS-4 alone, personally. Hopefully TDS-4 can gain a rep for eliminating the nastiest of the spyware that uses trojan/rootkit tricks as well as just trojans.. that would give it a higher priority in my book as well.
     
  6. Jooske

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    Notok, integration of all the products and a quicklaunch in the systray, voice commanded if we like, while we can install them separate as stand alone at wish.
     
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    Sounds perfect, Jooske :)
     
  8. Jame Taylor

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    I don't like the idea of a security suite. A bit too dangerous since everything might be taken down at one shot. And bloated.
     
  9. Jooske

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    Nope. Please read again.
     
  10. Peter2150

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    Interesting thread, just read thru it. One comment. I believe it was Starrob(forgive me if wrong) who commented he was interested in Wormguard but waiting for Wormguard 4. Don't. Also someone commented they thought Wormguard was obsolete. I was also coming to that conclusion. We were/are wrong.

    On one of the forums someone posted a site that gives you a good test of your E-Mail defenses,and how good your ISP is at catching nasties. They test for 10 different nasties. I tested all three of my ISP's and found they all caught about half of them. Look at my signature, and guess what caught the rest. It was WORMGUARD. It isn't obsolete, and don't wait for version 4. It's workinig for you right now!!!

    Pete
     
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    Hi Vikorr

    You are right. Changed my view of Wormguard.

    Pete
     
  13. tuatara

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    I agree on that Wormguard is a nice product,

    What i don't understand is, that is, if you order more DCS products
    you'll get for every next product a greater discount.

    EXCEPT for Wormguard, which is not available in the members-area that way.

    I am very curious why that is the case.
    And why DCS doesn't offer Wormguard as a product to sell via their resellers.

    Perhaps they under estimate this product themselves?
    Or perhaps, Wormguard is included in the next version of TDS next year?

    But i can still recommend Wormguard, it doesn't use a lot of system resources, and does what is must do.
     
  14. Starrob

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    Because of the lenght of time to put this product out half of me has lost interest and is looking at other solutions but the other half of me realizes that there seems to be a awful amount of time being expended of developing features and that perhaps some of the features that are being worked on might provide additional benefit above and beyond what is already on the marketplace.

    Right now, everything is guess work until it comes out. It is possible that those that are not interested now will have a big interest once they hear/see about the features when it is released and just as likely it could be a big disappointment for all that have waited anxiously for so long. Flip a coin.



    Starrob
     
  15. Rainwalker

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    Yep, my story also..............sure not holding my breath for TDS 4 ...although Once upon a time i was.......
     
  16. bigc73542

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    When tds4 comes out it should be nice. But like they have said when it is here it's here ;)
     
  17. worldcitizen

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    I think the question asked that is TDS a priority for you, exposes some issues and dilmmas for the programmers. Firstly TDS 3 and TDS 4 are not programs that one must have as many agree here that having it is only an additional layer but not a 'must have' so that raises the question of just how much a priority it is to have TDS 4 or TDS 3. While it's a nice prgram to have as an added layer there's no urgency or desperation for a program like this as a good AV will block most trojans.

    People will lose interest in TDS 4 until it comes out then everyone will be raving about it but god help it if it comes out full of bugs because of the time we have all been waiting for it to arrive. I think the amount of time waiting for the initial release has killed off a lot of it's being a priority but if it does come out eventually I do hope we don't have to go through 6 months of upgrades before it works properly like PG because we've waited so long for this already.

    The main priority for me now with TDS 4 is this. Take your time but for god's sake bring out a version which works and don't keep us waiting another 6 months for updates before it works properly. In other words test it thoroughly and make sure it works on machines with 1 and many accounts and then release it but whatever don't release it full of bugs which will only make us have to wait longer before we can really use it. The priority is getting it right 1st time.

    Dave
     
  18. dallen

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    Everyone that reads these forums on even a semi-regular basis has probably stumbled across one of my comments. Usually I'm berating Diamond CS about the release of TDS-4, but I've officially changed my position. After reconsidering the necessity of the software (due in part to a phone conversation with a prominent member of this forum), I've determined that I don't need Trojan Defense Suite. I want it. This being said, I wish that I had come to this realization prior to purchasing it. Frankly, the software is another layer of security, but it is a non-essential layer. Most of us are here because we have an abnormal fascination with computer security.
    As worldcitizen reiterated
    I would extend that comment to include most worms and strengthen it to say "A good AV will adequately protect most users from trojans." Most of the computers I run across are lucky to have an AV, let alone an updated AV. The real threat seems to be spyware.

    The bottom line, if I were to choose 2 pieces of software to protect my system (which I would say most users don't protect their systems with much more than), I would choose a firewall and an AV. If I were to extend that, I would include 2 or 3 anti-spyware programs. Beyond that is overkill, but then I may step into Process Guard. TDS is not in what I would consider an important layer of security.
     
  19. tuatara

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    I agree with that Dallen.

    There was a time long ago, when AV's did not want to protect you against
    Trojans. This made the market for the AT.

    But then people where starting to build there own layered defence,
    which is (as told before) not user friendly and too difficult.

    So i think that it is a good improvement, that AV's protect you against
    Trojans and Dialers etc (better: other malware) as well.

    I am not interrested if it is a Trojan or AV, if it is malware i don't want it on my computer.

    After years of flaming from customers that have their computers
    with problems, of undetected malware, almost all AV's have picked this up.
    Of course, otherwise people will soon choose an AV that does.

    This makes the market for a specific AT almost impossible.

    Perhaps for some Security Specialist, or others who collect Anti Malware progs for their hobby.

    With tools like Processguard or Tiny Personal Firewall 2005 Pro (has the same
    features and more) and SSM, Regrun Gold it becomes even more difficult.

    I think that is the main reason why the release of the product has taken this long, it must have more features too make it interresting.

    For us who have payed for it, (we bought a license of TDS-3 SEVERAL YEARS ago with an FREE upgrade to TDS-4) ...

    We would like to see, what TDS-4 will be, it looks as if last year back in 2004
    the planned release date was the same year end December.

    But for some reason, the project has changed in a gigantic way, since
    there is (after AGAIN more then a half year) no sign of life from it.

    So TDS-4 was a high priority for me when AV's did not catch Trojans,
    but since Kaspersky and others find trojans faster then TDS-3 on my system
    in only want TDS-4 because i payed for it, and for the other features
    (built-in networktools etc)

    So if TDS-4 is only less on-demand and more then BOCLEAN i will be hyper-dissapointed.
     
  20. Infinity

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    yeah, at least we can express ourselves here :D but one thing I must say too: they always were miles ahead of the rest...always. it won't be any different ;)
    it just takes a bit time probably cause tds will have more features indeed and don't forget it comes with different kind of packages.

    we will be enjoying it soon :)...I hope ;)
     
  21. dallen

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    Of course this is speculation, albeit speculation that has been somewhat supported by those that should know. The interesting thing is that I was totally sold on Diamond CS. I've purchased everything they offer except CryptoSuite (which I believe is now a Ghost Security product). Had these different kinds of packages been released sooner, I would have bought any additional "package" they offered. However, I now realize that these softwares aren't necessary. Case in point:
    I recently evaluated RegDefend by Ghost Security. I thought I needed a real good registry protection system and RegDefend is arguably one of the best on the market. The forums that cover that particular software are littered with people that are confused about .ghst files (which seem to enhance the protection). It dawned on my after reading the forums that people are running a higher risk of causing system problems by protecting the registry than they would face under normal system usage with an unprotected registry. ***Of course that assumes that the user has what I consider to be the most necessary pieces of software (mentioned above) protecting their system.***
    My point is that Infinity is correct in saying that [Diamond CS] is miles ahead of the rest, but are they miles ahead in an area of computer security that computer users need? Why should TDS-4 be a high priority?
     
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  22. richrf

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    Hi Dallen,

    I agree that registry protection is not a must have, and if it is too confusing then should be avoided. However, I believe most users of RegDefend have accustomed themselves to registry alerts that they may receive. It is usually when an alert comes out of no where (e.g. when there is no update in effect) that attention has to be given to an alert. So far, in my experiences, RegDefend has not caught anything that may have gotten past Kaspersky AV and ProcessGuard, but I use it as an extra shield just in case some malware does get the opportunity to instantiate itself in the registry.

    I judge the chances of this to be probably less than 1 in a 1000 malware encounters and since nowadays I encounter malware maybe 6 times a year (all of which seem to be caught by KAV), then the chances of RegDefend actually blocking something is probably not going to happen in my lifetime. :) Then again, the chances that I will have a fire in my home has probably the same level of probability, yet I still carry insurance. It is a matter of whether a "nice to have" is worth it to a particular individual.

    Rich
     
  23. Infinity

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    Excellent post Rich. my feelings exactly. but to be honest and slightly off topic:

    there must be some special software these days for me spending any more money on it...
     
  24. Pollmaster

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    You sure about that? :)
     
  25. richrf

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    Hi Infinity,

    lol. :D Life is very peaceful nowadays. I think I am set for the time being. Just kicking back and enjoying using my computer when I need to. Mostly ordering some good books from Amazon or Half.com. Steve Martin writes some funny - and really odd - books.

    Cya around,
    Rich
     
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