Installing Java Virtual Machine. How? Where?

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  1. Irmax

    Irmax Registered Member

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    Hi,

    I don't know if this is the right thread to put this question before you.
    Please feel free to (re)move this message at will.

    - My story -
    I frequently encounter a dialog screen when entering certain sites, and it says:
    Download the following component: Java Virtual Machine.
    If I click on the Download-button nothing happens other than a dialog screen
    popping-up, telling me to go to the Windows Update site if I want to install it!

    Maybe I'm daft, but I can't find it anywhere!!! :oops: :rolleyes: :doubt: :'(

    - My questions -
    (1) How can it be that my system doesn't have this component, which seems to be important?
    (2) How, or better said, where can I find and download Java Virtual Machine?

    - My system -
    - Windows 98SE (4.10.2222.A)
    - MSIE 6 (6.0.2600.0000IC)
    - MSOE 6 (6.00.2600.0000)
    - RAM 256 Mb
    - AMD Athlon (Thunderbird) K7 @ ~900 Mhz
    - 2 x 20 Gb HDDs

    Hopefully there's someone out there, who can and will help me solve this 'problem'!

    Kind regards,
     
  2. LowWaterMark

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    Microsoft and SUN (the original creators of Java) had a lawsuit regarding the Microsoft implementation of Java in its Virtual Machine... Microsoft has since removed most references to its VM at the update site, although I've heard some people have been able to find it by searching through old links or getting it through the Windows Update site. I'm not sure if you still can, though.

    However, there is a perfectly could alternative. You can use Sun's own VM, which is compatible and will give you what you want.

    Look at Sun's Java site: http://java.sun.com/getjava

    Sun's download page: http://java.sun.com/getjava/download.html
     
  3. Pieter_Arntz

    Pieter_Arntz Spyware Veteran

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    And here you can find the last version M$ had on it's site:
    http://www.krm.com/techsupport/tech-downloads_mvm.html

    Regards,

    Pieter
     
  4. Irmax

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    Well you guys,

    Thank you ever so much for your replies, supplying me these download links!
    I'm really thankful for your efforts!

    To LowWaterMark:
    I DL'ed Jave Virtual Machine from the SUN-site and installed it.
    And, of course, it works! But... it seems my system is a bit slower than before...!?
    Is that possible?

    To Pieter_Arntz:
    I also DL'ed Microsoft Virtual Machine from www.krm.com.
    I'm glad you found this installation file.

    My questions now are:
    - which of these 2 applications is "better"? Or are they both more or less the same?
    - How do or must I use JVM or MVM?

    I'm (sadly enough) surfing the Internet by means of a dial-up 56K modem.

    Hopefully someone can enlighten me in the usage of JVM/MVM.
     
  5. Pieter_Arntz

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    The JVM is easy although it is known to give some problems with XP SP1 (nothing serious, just annoying ;))
    All you need to do is follow these instructions:
    Steps to install the Virtual Machine:
    1) Click the Virtual Machine link
    2) Click "Open this file from its current location"
    3) Click OK
    4) Follow the on-screen prompts to install the Virtual Machine
    or
    1) Download the file and save it to your harddrive.
    2) Once the file is on your harddrive, execute it and thus load the Virtual Machine.
    3) As the file begins execution, answer Yes to the License Agreement question and then once complete, re-boot your PC.
    4) Once the PC is re-booted you should be set to go.

    It is then totally integrated in your system and does its job automatically.

    Regards,

    Pieter
     
  6. Irmax

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    Hey Pieter_Arntz,

    Should I uninstall JVM (which I downloaded from the SUN-site) first and
    then install MVM?
    Or just use the one I've installed earlier?

    I gather that JVM and MVM are somewhat different?
    Which one are you suggesting, because you mention JVM, but your explanation
    is from MVM on the KRM-site. What gives, I'm confused!
     
  7. Pieter_Arntz

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    I´m sorry about the confusion. I have to blame M$ because they called their version Java Virtual Machine :D
    As far as I know you don´t have to uninstall one to use the other, but I´m not really sure about that.
    Anyhow I ment the one from the krm site, since I have no experience with the one from Sun.
    Because of that I can´t really give you any advise other then to use the one that does the trick for you.
    Maybe someone else who has tried both?

    Regards,

    Pieter
     
  8. LowWaterMark

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    I've heard people go back and forth on the virtual machines. Some people think Sun's should be used since they invented Java - it may be more "pure" and secure. Others think the Microsoft one is better since they altered it to be more compatible and efficient with Windows (more or less the reason for the lawsuit).

    For myself, I've tried the Sun one only once on a work system just to see it. It ran fine, but was nothing special. Everywhere else, including my current home system, I run Microsoft's JVM v3805/3807 (see patch note below). It's fine as far as I'm concerned.

    Microsoft may be leaving Java behind under the terms of the settlement, but, they did just issue a security patch update (Sept 1:cool: for their JVM v3805. (MS JVM v3805 is the one available for download via the www.krm.com link above. It is the unaltered kit once available at download.microsoft.com - confirmed as of the date of this post.)

    For MS JVM update bulletin:

    http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/security/bulletin/MS02-052.asp
     
  9. Irmax

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    Hey guys,

    LowWaterMark & Pieter_Arntz... thankx immensely for your input! :D

    First I installed SUN's JVM and had the impression that my system ran
    somewhat more slowly(?) than before, but I'm not really sure!
    I'm a newbie if it comes to these things!!!

    Well... than I uninstalled SUN's JVM, removed all traces and installed
    M$ JVM and I think I'm happy now!
    I even downloaded/installed the M$ patch for JVM. It all 'feels' allright...

    I must say, your expertise and knowhow is fabulous from the both of you! :cool: :D

    Again... THANX... and keep up the good work! ;)
     
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