Federal police seizing control of domain names for Web sites that allegedly viol

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  1. spy1

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    "Attorney General John Ashcroft said Monday that the domain names for several Web sites allegedly set up to sell illegal "drug paraphernalia" would be pointed at servers located at the Drug Enforcement Administration. A federal judge in Pittsburgh granted the U.S. Department of Justice permission to do so until a trial can take place, the government said."

    http://www.securitynewsportal.com/cgi-bin/cgi-script/csNews/csNews.cgi?database=JanX%2edb&command=viewone&id=37&op=t

    Interesting questions brought up by the guy on SNP: "A few fast food for thoughts here : Feds can seize domain names that are suppose to be presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law ? Sex.com is fighting in court at this moment because the courts do not accept that a domain name is property - so how can a non property be seized ? And will the illegal activities of sites that provide viruses, or hacking tools, or exploits be next to be seized?"

    And (a question of my own) "What happens when the U.S. government decides that security web-sites provide too much information that would enable terrorists/hackers to elude them? .

    Looking like, very soon, the next time I click on Wilders or DSL - I might get re-directed to the DOJ's web-site, instead. Pete
     
  2. Checkout

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    Re:Federal police seizing control of domain names for Web sites that allegedly v

    Pete, you sound surprised. Don't be. Watch the "How To..." section over the next few weeks and see if your fears are well founded or not.
     
  3. Primrose

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    Re:Federal police seizing control of domain names for Web sites that allegedly v


    :rolleyes:
    I think it more likely that when you do to those favorite domains which have dropped off the net..or did not pay their bill and lost the name..you will still get to that site..but find it has been bought out by the Porno Groups. They have been doing that for the last two years now..even bought out some religious sites and kids site..kepted the same front door page and downloaded dialers..BHO's and other Browser hijackers to sell their trade. Some of which the Security and privacy apps..still can't handle on a day to day basis.

    There is a bounty being paid for some..depending on the traffic.
     
  4. Mr.Blaze

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    Re:Federal police seizing control of domain names for Web sites that allegedly v

    :D gesssssss i always get inn trouble for posting this stuff

    will all i got to say is where at fault

    yup i said it us lazy americans who are to lazy to write e-mail and phone call are congress are at fault that means 98% of us usa americans

    but honestly what do you expecct they think where really stupit

    all the new laws being madde go algaints consttution solvrin rights there just under a difrent appearance

    put all the new laws together that have to do with internet its time to wake up we are under marshall law

    what i find it hard is no one belives me

    no one seems to see the big picture i saw it when new millinume law came out and green lantern

    i know where its heading

    vhy dosent every one else :'(
     
  5. Primrose

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    Re:Federal police seizing control of domain names for Web sites that allegedly v

    Well, I have no problem with us all not agreeing what privacy is really all about, But I have no problem in calling this one..used to be one had to take these guys to civil court to stop them..but If you want to eat from my rice bowl..best to pay for the dinner unless you have been invited as a guest. ;)

    Just because it is out there does not mean you own..if you want to risk it..take you best shot.

    LOL

    The U.S Department of Justice (DOJ) is cracking down on online copyright piracy. This week the DOJ seized the www.isonews.com after the owner, David M. Rocci, plead guilty to conspiring with others to violate the Digital Millenium Copyright Act. Isonews.com was seized because it was "facilitating" the sale of "mod" chips that bypass copyright mechanisms in XBox and other online gaming devices. The isonews.com website now has an anti-priracy message posted by the DOJ. Rocci is to be sentenced on March 7, and is facing up to five years in prison and up to $500,000 in fines.


    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10376-2003Feb27.html
     
  6. Jooske

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    Re:Federal police seizing control of domain names for Web sites that allegedly v

    Would this mean if that DOJ want's to keep their message up and keep the names under them they have to pay the name fee? :) Let them pay another few thousands, lucrative business.

    Suppose their messages they put on it will be restricted or will they be able to "sell" any governmental message?
    Think for instance they can't say a person pleaded guilty for something before court decided indifinitely the persons' guilt, so if not found really guilty the owner can claim a good smart money.
    Think before this court order took place the site can't even be seized at all. Where is justice?
    Thought normally first a person's guilt had to be proved, then what penalty there would be, in which this site confiscating can be part although in life-threathening cases maybe hanging the investigation......
    How about privacy laws? Never heard of, seeing that confiscated site with real name and aka and what it is about. Strange ideas about justice and privacy........
    Somebody seems to feel very bad with internet and people's freedom, so even bypassing the most fundamental laws and constitution etc.
    It's a shame and should not be possible.
     
  7. Mr.Blaze

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    Re:Federal police seizing control of domain names for Web sites that allegedly v

    will lol look at it algain use your imagination

    you will see a biger picture of this basicly fredom of information act as well as consumer rights.

    first of pirating is illigal yes we all know

    how ever the mod chips can easly be considered another form of dvd cd copyright back up cd harware.

    like many things in life it can be used for evill purposes.

    take for example a gun in itself it is not evill but how you use it is.

    what was illgal here was iso copys of games they were makeing avaliabe but the mod chips them selfs can be consider along the same lines as bleem

    i could had sworn there were consumer rights that would allow you to back up anything you owen

    why dont we make them acountable the software industry and big money companys if my playstation 2 game wears out they should replace it free of charge when i send it in cause the wear and tear is from there ps-2 since im not allowed to back up what i buy they should do it for me for free

    why dont we pass that law
     
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    Re:Federal police seizing control of domain names for Web sites that allegedly v

    The gov, FBI and CIA are regular lurkers over here ;). Anyway: if it would ever come to that, we'll start all over - using Chinese domains if necessary :cool:.

    regards.

    paul
     
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    Re:Federal police seizing control of domain names for Web sites that allegedly v

    Paul

    That´s the right attitude :D !!

    ^Ari^
     
  10. Jooske

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    Re:Federal police seizing control of domain names for Web sites that allegedly v

    They probably come to learn here what to look for and how to deal with the nasties, as well as legal matters. Finding it here all free and rfeady, saves them bunches of time and trouble. They might even post and ask questions as any normal user can and get their problems answered here by the knowledgeable family.
    Nothing against that, could be (yes read: COULD be) good for our security too. Maybe among them are those moving over to other countries now eyes are opened here.

    Looking forward to Paul's chinese lessons, complicated! Do we think to deal with a worm and is it an ingredient for our tjap choi. Talking about trojans hmmmmm :cool:
     
  11. Paul Wilders

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    Re:Federal police seizing control of domain names for Web sites that allegedly v

    Thanks Ari ;)

    ehh..let me rephrase: russian domain - rusty after 25+ years, but much more easy to pick up ;).

    regards.

    paul
     
  12. Jooske

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    Re:Federal police seizing control of domain names for Web sites that allegedly v

    And their wodka might be great.
    As long as it's based outside spying laws areas.
     
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