Ending programs before a install

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  1. brotherfreakshow

    brotherfreakshow Registered Member

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    Hello-
    On the subject of ending programs such as AV apps.
    firewalls ect. before installing other programs,
    updates(Sp1), drivers and so on.

    I was wondering if anyone used a great littel
    program called End it all for this purpose.

    I use it often when installing,it's much faster than
    using controll/alt/delete,when shutting down
    running and background programs.

    I know of new users who forget this simple but
    important step and don't realise the problems it
    can cause(after multiple installs i.e.)

    If anyone else uses other programs like this let me
    know. Thanks :D
     
  2. Jooske

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    Hi brotherfreakshow,
    have it somewhere on my system, but most of time i end things manually, which need to be ended, although there are people who reboot in safe mode for the same effect (almost).
    Did you use it before installing PE?
     
  3. Pieter_Arntz

    Pieter_Arntz Spyware Veteran

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    Hi brotherfreakshow,

    Have a look at this thread: http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=5989;start=0

    Regards,

    Pieter
     
  4. Hank

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    Hi,

    when I installed PE at least I took the safe mode which was the best method.
    But this does not work with programs which need the msi (tried it several times -
    installation aborted).

    Hank
     
  5. brotherfreakshow

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    Hello-
    I believe using End it all is a safe way to close
    running and hidden apps. and background processes
    without having to go in safe mode.

    Your given a choice of closing or killing programs
    when you close a program it's just like choosing
    close or exit from it's file menu.
    End it all sends a message to the program and
    gives it 30 seconds to finish up before it closes it.

    Using the kill option is like ctl+alt+delete which I
    agree should be a last resort(not responding)

    Also by default End it all wont kill any background
    process. you have to remove it's protection by
    selecting remove protection.
     
  6. Pieter_Arntz

    Pieter_Arntz Spyware Veteran

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    Hi brotherfreakshow,

    If it works for you that´s fine :)
    No reason to change then.
    I just wanted to warn you because I have seen some people for whom it led to troubles.

    Regards,

    Pieter
     
  7. brotherfreakshow

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    Hello-

    I am open for corrections and input on my previous
    post if anyone feels I am wrong about the program
    End it all.

    In theory and pratice it works,as I often use the
    program.
    I am allways downloading and installing this and
    that.

    I would like to hear from those with differnt opinions
    as I said before I am allways open to learning. ;)
     
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    Hello-
    Pieter thanks for the info.
    I am confused however the writer of that article
    said that End it all is the same as control alt delete
    but that would be killing the process and not just
    closing it right?
    The close program gives the program time to finish
    up its closing procedures, and wont close if it's
    not finished.
    unless you use the kill procedure.
    your opinion please?
     
  10. brotherfreakshow

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    Hello-
    In response to your ? Jooske.
    Yes I used it before I installed PE.
    no problems so far. LOL!!! :)
     
  11. Pieter_Arntz

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    To be honest, I never used version 2 of EndItAll. I know that the first version had to be tampered with in order to give some processes (mostly Windows) more time to close down. But that was under Win95, I think this has improved for sure in later Windows versions and could have been improved in the second version of EndItAll.
    Like yourself, I prefer using the safe mode if possible.
    In your case, as long as it doesn´t cause problems it is save to assume that processes get a chance to close properly.
    You gave the answer yourself: it is the difference between killing and closing a process that counts here.

    Regards,

    Pieter
     
  12. brotherfreakshow

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    Hello-
    Thanks for the discussion Pieter!
    I enjoyed your opinions.

    I would also like to state just because End it all has
    worked for me, it could give other users problems.

    Everyones systems differnt right?
     
  13. Pieter_Arntz

    Pieter_Arntz Spyware Veteran

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    That sure is right. Almost like people, computers become all unique because of the way they are treated and the data they are fed.
    I moved your other topic to General Software and services and stay out of it ;)
    So the discussion may take a whole new course.

    Regards,

    Pieter
     
  14. Justin Smith

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    On this subject of using Safe Mode, I noticed earlier tonight on the NAV support site that they recommend using Safe Mode to install NAV 2002 but NOT for NAV 2003. Just curious...why would that be? Are there any other instances where using Safe Mode would be undesirable?

    I usually shut down other apps first, but it didn't occur to me that using Safe Mode is probably the best bet, especially with so many things running in the background now (e.g. firewall, etc.).
     
  15. Pieter_Arntz

    Pieter_Arntz Spyware Veteran

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    NAV 2003 needs the Windows Installer on NT machines.
    Windows Installer does not start in safe mode.
    I think that is the main reason. There could be others that I am unaware of.

    Regards,

    Pieter
     
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