Dutch ISPs to tap their users

Discussion in 'privacy general' started by Jooske, Aug 26, 2002.

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  1. Jooske

    Jooske Registered Member

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    After several years of delay, now also the Dutch ISPs are obliged to tap their users emails. If they don't cooperate, they are supposed just as suspicious and can be fined.
    In this case the kind of technology enables the ISPs to connect two large pc's (size of about a good fridge) on their network and filter out on individual level: the one pc sniffing around all from the "suspects pc" and the other copying all content and sendings in packets which encrypted are sent to our national justice. Of course they cooperate wiht FBI and those international institutions.

    This is not only in the Netherlands, could be all over Europe, that will other peopel be able to tell from their countries...
    This kind of things saddens me highly. As all ISPs are to cooperate there is no way with changing ISPs to be safe or with using different ISPs for different activities for instance as they scan all your system/network.

    These laws in the make were already several years, so it is not immediately connected with 9/11.

    So up to encryption of our systems, peekabooty, camera/shy, m-o-o-t and all that.
     
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    One thing that will help is not to use the email address provided by your isp for anything. I run my own mail server, I wonder if they bother sniffin for stuff like that or if they just check the supplied email server. ISPs aren'y particularly happy to have to do this so I suspect they won't go above the call of duty to comply.
     
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    Makes sense.
    But are you then for your email server part your own ISP or how would you connect to internet? As all those dialup connections go via some ISP and free ISP services are hardly there anymore now or were not allowed anymore (not 100% sure).
    If you are a one user ISP that way, would you be to tap yourself or is the law not that strange yet?
    Going to investigate those options for myself, but it does mean some changes and creating space and a lot more.

    It's true what you say, as there is a discussion going on obliging the ISPs to keep all data for two years. So i don't see --if that two years part with keeping all data traffic of all their users is there-- what is the extra necessity of tapping another time these special occasions, as they can just filter and substract from the data volume they already have.
    Imagine the storage problems with many users? We have over 5 million users at the big ISPs and another several millions at the smaller ISPs together, so storing all their data traffic for two years is impossible!
    I can imagine what will be the best business and best jobs: going to sell memory and storage space (better become a leaser ) and the IT persons to design all those roads and systems. Wahoo! (no NOT yahoo!)

    Anyway, to get rid of this terrible shock i guess i'll replace the TDS cokemachine script with some red devil drink (or how could such a fiery vodka drink be named?) and do some serious digging in the forums here in the recommendations for safe internetting.
    I'm really disappointed, believe me! As Netherlands was always famous for their freedom and respect (in name) but now...... hmmm, thinking of asking hospitality in another country not being even political active but freedom of datatraffic, thinking, speaking is basical for me, and which rights are in our constitution, even though that was written before internet ever was there.
    Good we have already peek-a-booty and such, now it's becoming imperative to have such software! If you donj't have, see you get it asap, just in case, and camera/shy, several encryption things, hidden disc space on your system, and the whole lot.
     
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