Windows XP turns 20: Microsoft’s rise and fall points to one thing — don’t fix what isn’t broken

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  1. Dragon1952

    Dragon1952 Registered Member

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    After reading your post i finally got around to making a standard account for everyday use after having a home computer since 2010 starting with W7 and now W10. For the past 11 years i have been web surfing with a admin account.
     
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    Good. Now if you're making regular backups you're all set. :thumb:
     
  3. Dragon1952

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    It doesn't look like i can use a standard account because i get high cpu in OSArmor Service and Kaspersky App Launcher.
     
  4. xxJackxx

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    I've heard that about OSArmor before.
     
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    i'd rather ditch osa and use a standard account than use an admin account.
     
  6. Sampei Nihira

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    With XP it was possible to use a standard account (LUA) but it was quite difficult to manage it.
    Much easier to use some risky softwares, for example the browser, limiting the users privileges as I used to do.
    Who says that XP was a disaster for the security doesn't know what he's talking about.:rolleyes:
    Recently in the Linux distro of my daughter's pc I enabled UFW Firewall no surprise to see that it has the same settings of the one that was available in Windows XP.
     
  7. xxJackxx

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    Riiiight. Almost everyone that ran XP ran as administrator and used IE6. Drive-by malware installs while browsing were a daily occurrence if you were unskilled. Every private user I knew that tried a LUA account gave up on it day 1 because it was too hard for them. As far as corporate domain admins, I actually had a customer call me once, connected me to his server, and asked me to set the permissions for him because he did not know how. XP as an admin user really wasn't much different than Windows 98 for security with a default installation. It could be, but it wasn't for most people.
     
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    I wonder if this firewall adds more protection than the one in your router?

    But you can easily add additional rules to it, like:
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    sudo ufw deny out log to 1.1.188.23
    https://www.abuseipdb.com/check/1.1.188.23
     
  10. Sampei Nihira

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    :thumb:
     
  11. Sampei Nihira

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    I have been using Windows Firewall with XP for almost 20 years together with the router firewall, so for me it is normal to have this combination in the Linux distro.
     
  12. login123

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    I ran win xp with a firewall (Outpost) a virtualization app (Powershadow), an AV (Avast & others), Spyware Blaster, and a system backup (Acronis).
    It was sort of a "redundant safety" setup. Took a while to find the right combination, but I never got tagged after I learned to use it properly.
    Ran across several malwares but none affected the computer.
    Still run it today. :)

    Most folks who now run win 10 and win 11 also seem to have some kind of redundant safety system. Few run win 10 without some helper apps.

    Point is, the windows OS was never secure by itself. Still isn't, although there have been some big steps forward.
    Win xp faded out because microsoft abandoned it, therefore most developers abandoned it.

    Looks like the same thing is scheduled for win 10. That will render millions of computers obsolete.
    Imho, most folks won't be able to implement the work arounds.

    One wonders about microsoft's motivation?
     
  13. roger_m

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    According to Microsoft, it is for increased reliability and security.
    https://blogs.windows.com/windows-i...tem-requirements-and-the-pc-health-check-app/
    Whether that is really the case, I don't know. But it is what they claim.
     
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    Call me cynical, but at the end of the day it's always about money and how to maximize profits!
     
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    That's just out-of-the-box defaults: deny incoming, allow outgoing, otherwise there's no comparison. XP's firewall couldn't do this:

    UFW MX-19.png
     
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  16. Sampei Nihira

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    You're right.
    In Xp it is possible to make up for your rules by using a Hardware FW or even some times with the help of the Hosts file.
     
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    Or a 3rd-party software firewall ;)
     
  18. Sampei Nihira

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    Yes, even if it slows down the OS.
    As long as the FW softhouse keeps the compatibility until today.
    :)
     
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    I personally believe that SUA is highly overrated, I always work as admin and I turn UAC off, because it's pretty much pointless.

    What I mean with this, is that it didn't have many security features found in Win Vista and Win 7, 8 and 10. Think of PatchGuard and Mandatory Integrity Control, without them it was difficult to protect against rootkits and to implement sandboxing.
     
  20. Sampei Nihira

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    XP obviously didn't have ILs.
    But the 64bit version had PatchGuard:


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_Patch_Protection

    In fact, the sandbox mechanism has limited functionality in W.XP.
    But this is not currently important, in fact it is a marginal aspect.
    The sandbox is only as strong as the kernel on which it relies.
    In a not patched OS it is a mistake to rely on the protection of a sandbox.
     
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    I personally disagree with this. Turning off UAC will not only stop blocking programs from getting admin access, but it will also run all user processes with High IL level by default instead of Medium.
     
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    I think XP was fast and light for the hardware available at the time, but also incredibly easy to break through its inexistent security. Most of antimalware companies were thriving with XP as they are now biting the dust with Win10. A king with no army is no king, the real great achievement of MS is Win10 and its inbuilt Microsoft Defender in operation with almost 1 billion computers worldwide!
     
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    Agreed. If something executes and wants to write to the Windows or Program Files folders, there is nothing to slow it down in any way. Or change any Registry settings. Including the HKLM branch, which otherwise requires admin.
     
  24. reasonablePrivacy

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    Generally I prefer sua (account not a member of administrator group), but I don`t turn off UAC completely because of that Integrity level stuff. I keep a UAC toggle it at least one level above turned off even if I use standard user account for daily tasks. Maybe I am wrong, but Windows is not my primary OS.
     
  25. Kirk Reynolds

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    Vista failed because device drivers and apps were **** on the OS for about two years. The Apple marketing capitalized on that.
     
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