Windows 11 leak reveals new UI, Start menu, and more (Discussion)

Windows 11 Requirements Check Tool 0.9.3 is out! Updated to support the additional processors Microsoft recently announced on Friday 27th August. Information + Download: https://bytejams.com

 

How cool. Thanks @Dragon1952
I already knew this particular ole Gateway was out of level for it but the tool is sweet anyway.

 

I installed windows 11 on my 7 years old laptop, which is far from windows 11 hw compatible PC. We all know that if you copy one .dll from windows 10 installation media to windows 11 installation media, you can basically install windows 11 to any PC without any hw restrictions.
I did not do clean installed it, but updated it directly through windows 10.
Everything went fine, and it really feels a lot snappier then windows 10. Sure it need some tweakings/UI modification etc for you own liking.
No BSODs etc so far. Installed F-Secure Safe for testing purposes. Now it boots even faster and the system overall is even more faster (damn you WD ).
So, i do like it a lot so far.

 

Don't get too invested in your new playtoy... soon it will try and use all that hardware that your System doesn't have

 

@TheRollbackFrog
This is my malware etc testing laptop, which is connected to the net via my old Xcover 2 prepaid sim card lol

 

OK solved to install win 11 you need to enable intel ptt in bios

 

@lucd
I've read somewhere that Asus motherboards needs that "ptt" setting enabled. And they released bios updates too...

 

works all you need is ptt on
asus example

INTEL and AMD:
1. Press "Del"

2. Go to Advanced\PCH-FW Configuration page and enable "PTT".
with ptt off you need to install from iso at boot menu, but it will delete your files

 

Sounds like you're ready...

 

What the...isn't PPT the same as TPM? Delete files? What you do mean "it will delete your files"?

 

yes it will delete your files if you install on top on your old OS, if you have ptt disabled, you can still install win11 but you cannot upgrade, you can only do clean installs
to upgrade you must turn ptt on, did not know that

PPT the same as TPM?

I dunno I am not expert, it turns out it is, but had it off for some reason and could NOT install (upgrade) win 11

another unexpected annoyance , it will ask for OS key if you install from destkop an another version
from usb iso you can skip entering the key (once you login the first day it will not ask to activate, but the day after the installation it will)

 

See this Ask Woody Newsletter (thanks @JRViejo ) and scroll down to "Where does TPM live?."

 

Windows 11 will be released on October 5th to newer devices
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/ne...-be-released-on-october-5th-to-newer-devices/

 

"New PCs preloaded with Windows 11 also go on sale Oct. 5."

https://www.pcmag.com/news/microsoft-to-launch-windows-11-on-oct-5-with-gradual-rollout

 

@lucd
I think TPM is used for encryption...something like bitlocker? For some reason, TPM v1.2 is needed, its a motherboard/BIOS feature.
Somehow, windows 11 needs TPM enabled motherboards. Why? Mebbe Microsoft does it on a purpose?
Just do like i said in my prev msg, or if you want to do clean install, just drop to cmd and a a reg entry to bypass windows 11 hw "check".
Its interesting why M$ does that hw check...it has to have some reason to do so...hmm Profit?

 

It's not just TPM, it's TPM v2.0. That's either a separate mainboard TPM chip or a more modern Intel chipset that supports PPT at that level. Some mainboard manufacturers are upgrading the firmware for that separate chip from 1.x to v2.0. These are most likely found along with non-Intel chipsets.

 

Yep, but its a check by M$, nothing more.

 

Well, the check is used for installation purposes but after W11 is installed, this ARTICLE will give you an idea of what will and won't work (without TPM v2) "eventually" as W11 moves forward.

 

Microsoft kicks unsupported PCs out of Windows 11 preview program
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/ne...ported-pcs-out-of-windows-11-preview-program/

 

Yeah, they're not scoring a lot of points with this. They can take their Windows 11 and stick it somewhere.

 

Exactly my thought

 

its part of their zero-trust mindset
after covid corporations and regime countries are much stronger so they can enforce what they want

I dunno if PTT/TPM is a poisoned chalice or a blessing in disguise

there's one encryption and its called veracrypt, no need for bitlocker (I personally don't have the need to use encryption at all, I am suspicious of encryption and would rather not have this technology invented at all as malware and bad actors love it). Should be safe to disable PTT/TPM after the installation of win 11 that requires it, I guess it should run no problem if you disable bitlocker or don't use bitlocker, ntlite maybe allows to carve bitlocker out. I wonder if PTT offers other security benefits for home users:

Spoiler

•Tamper-resistant storage, available
soon after initial platform power on,
where measurements for each
firmware and Operating System boot
component can be stored
• Hardware-based signing of measure-
ments when they are retrieved for
later inspection to ensure measure-
ments are genuine
•Intel PTT includes a hardware-resident
Endorsement Key (EK) unique to each plat-
form. This can be used by active directory
certification services to determine if cer-
tificate enrollment requests are associated
with security keys protected by hardware.
Based on this information, certificates can
be issued or denied.

 

I don't know, but why would you want to disable it?

 

just as I debloat the windows stuff, if not using it why having it enabled in first place. Like if I don't use the car why keeping the engine running. I am not concerned about bitlocker though, I tend to disable the more dangerous stuff like termservice or Netbios over TCP and SSDP
lately I am not disabling anything because I don't have the time for it, or because I break more stuff that it is worth it, all this hardening just break functionality and programmes, it is not worth it in the end, maybe because you don't immediately see benefits of hardening and once you break something it is difficult to fix it

 

I seriously doubt overhardening is worth the trouble for home user's given all the third party choices that can stifle the most notorious of dodgy sites or some extremely rare occasion of a zeroing in intrusion. Then there's the ultimate malware destroyer- Offline Images -mirror copies made offline as well and stored off disk. Even a solid virtualization solution like Shadow Defender and Deep Freeze is a bacon saver without even having to restore an image.

Of course the hardening IS GOOD practice. Just not too much where it renders normal productivity time consuming