Discussion in 'other software & services' started by ronjor, Jun 15, 2021.
Thanks, JR... interesting read.
TheRollbackFrog, you're welcome! Take care and stay safe.
OK, starting to run into a few snags. Since I have no physical hardware meeting the W11 specs, I installed v22000.65 into a VMware VM using UEFI-Secure BOOT (using a W10 20H2 install support file set) and it has updated itself just fine along the timeline from 65 to 71 then on to 100 under Windows Update.
To mess around on my non-compatible hardware, I installed 65 (using W1020H2 install support) to my Legacy-MBR System and all was fine. It then updated itself to 71 (via Windows Update) and has since frozen there when 100 came out... no errors just no update (like in the VM). It seems to not want to go any further (no idea why but since it's a special "froggie" build, I guess I can expect anything).
I decided to rebuild my Legacy-MBR System using the W11 100 release with W1021H1 install support instead of 20H2... all went fine. I'll have to wait to see if Windows Update will move the installed version on. Wow, this is so much fun...
Sorry, Microsoft says you can’t cheat to install Windows 11 on unsupported PCs
July 26, 2021
I expected this to be the case. Even if you do manage to get it installed I'm sure they'll break it with an update.
I've read that installing Windows 11 on unsupported hardware will likely fail. But running it of itself is currently not a problem.
But the update thing, yes, I totally expect that to happen. I'm sure this will upset a lot of people who thought they were in the clear and enjoying the Windows 11 experience.
This is an interesting situation. In four years time, when support for Windows 10 ends, there will millions of PCs running an unsupported version of Windows, which they won't be able to upgrade. I'm sure that many people, whose computers are still working well, won't be willing to spend money to buy a new Windows 11 PC, or a used one which meets the specifications for Windows 11. So there will be a lot of vulnerable Windows computers.
Quite possibly there will be workarounds, which will allow you to install Windows 11 on unsupported PCs. But I wonder if the average user would use (or even be aware of) such workarounds.
How you think those of us who spent years finally getting Windows 8 to be excellent reliable machines very user friendly and highly productive? My gosh man I cannot even imagine Windows 7 devotees how they are feeling that all their time/years is been wasted.
Which is NOW become very clearer than ever that Microsoft is in reality a company designed to waste good productive time for it's customer's and clients. Why else would they choose to draw up and design these O/S versions and HIDE a thousand+ settings and make owners spend countless hours, weeks, and sometimes months just to uncover their sneaky hidings of what would help make a computer a user friendly machine.
No one is been more of a critic of them than myself but only in the hopes that they might one day see a better way ahead for it's users and show themselves a solid reasonable outfit, not one that makes it near impossible to experience a good reliable computing apparatus for Home, Business, and Industry that could benefit from sensible responsible construction of such as these.
One reason I still wish the government would bust up their monopoly from their absolute control on the O/S market.
That said, Windows 11 can have useful potential but it's guaranteed Microsoft only uses these surprise new version announcements to make the hardware market sell more new machines and MS receives kickbacks none of us will ever hear about.
And then there is your software developers who have to start from scratch all over again to make compatibility with their own very talented programs to work as expected.
Well, to be fair, Win10 upgrade was and as far as I know, still is a free upgrade from Win7 & Win8, so I guess they want some income for Win11.
Don't get me wrong, I won't be buying new hardware to install Win11 and I'm already half way there to going full on Linux.
Your not the only one. In fact whoever the member was that recently posted Debian Bullseye, once the official release is live I am going to seriously dedicate a machine and dive right into it. I'm losing way too much time troubleshooting Windows endlessly because they are lazy and not as high tech innovative or quality control civilized as all those years in the business should have made them by now.
That's something I hadn't considered as in my case, I install Windows and use it as is, with zero tweaking. I go for years between clean installs, as I don't like having to take the time to reinstall the software that I use.
Yes it's still free. At the moment, Windows 11 is too. Just like Windows 10, you can activate it with a Windows 7 or 8 product key.
Yes, my experience also. The rare times in recent memory I've had to cleanly install Windows, it was actually my fault. Grrrr.
I actually have a laptop that has gone from Windows 7 to 8, 8.1, and every version of 10 released without a clean install. I don't want to have to search out the drivers for a clean install. It still works. At 12 years old it won't be going to Windows 11.
@xxJackxx - That's along the lines of as conservative as I am. I believe even with the tech from say 2012 that systems are astonishing durable in longevity. I have some Gateways that are on 24/7/365 and if there is any power outage they not only keep on but a electric 12 volt generator tow truck drivers and people use to jump their vehicle's dead battery. keep the Gateways running all night if needed. That is amazing resilience. Only lost one to a keyboard issue, nothing whatsoever to do with it's main internal workings.
Oh i'm not naïve, these Gateways will soon enough need replaced with newer one's, but it just goes to show that the motherboard-CPU industry is made some brands to last, and I mean last well beyond expectations. Maybe even theirs.
As far as Windows 11, once all my 8.1's are to my satisfaction i'll likely let the newest Windows 10 Dell upgrade to 11 just because it's freely available.
Whether it becomes appealing or not is a whole other matter. I never had a better more fine tuned and trouble-free computer experience as experienced with Windows 8- strangest part? I entirely sat out with XP and never ever went to 7 although that option was there. I only laid eyes on a few at banks or friends house but waited it out for 8. Now seems I waited out 10 for 11. Totally unexpected of course.
Microsoft: Windows 11 to follow Windows 10’s servicing model
July 28, 2021
Microsoft release first Windows 11 Preview build (22000.100 ) to the Beta channel
July 29, 2021
Announcing Windows 11 Insider Preview Build 22000.100
Part of me is really tempted to jump back on the beta channel to check this out. At the same time this is an almost new laptop and I really hesitate to do it, I know there will be issues. I don't have any other device that meets the hardware requirements. I have a VM on the dev channel. They'll be killing that upon public release. I'll probably run a fresh image and be prepared to roll back, just to see what it looks like on a real PC.
I just loaded a nice clean image from my Macrium images and then signed up for the beta channel this morning. Everything went well with the install. Seems ok so far. Going to check things out in more detail now.. I was in the Dev channel but now I think I'll stick with the Beta. I have a 6 month old HP laptop here and everything is looking fine... no problems.
How would you first runner peeps compare Windows 11 performance with 10. Or is it not there yet?
A new version just begs to introduce higher even snappier performance than would might be expected.
Key on this end isn't the issues which is normal progression, but the reflex action the screen movements show us such as opening various files and especially when opening settings in Control Panel. And also the load burden that it's able to stand up under in peak sessions of multitasking.
I see a lot of folks suggesting this as you can at the moment with them being the same build. I hear the Dev channel is about to get a bit more unstable than what this build is. I've decided to hold out for now. The only laptop I can upgrade at the moment is too important for me to load a beta OS on. I'll wait a bit and see how folks like it on a real machine as opposed to the virtual one I am running it on.
Hi EASTER... I can't really say much on performance yet as I haven't used 11 much until now... On the surface it seems just as snappy as 10 or even better perhaps.. Time will tell....
On a real machine, it's undeniably faster. Exactly how much I wouldn't know how to quantify but it's easily perceived. I read where someone benchmarked it as "30% faster." I would not go that far, and periodically, with certain bugs, things like File Explorer get mired down a bit but do recover.
At first, I didn't find it faster than 10 but with any new build, it seems you have to give things a chance to simmer down and get comfy.
I would say: it's def. getting there.
Yeah... I understand that. I just swap images and run whatever I want from day to day. But I will try to stick with 11 for a while now..
That's very welcome news @plat1098 - As a Windows power user opinions on that aspect ring pretty loud.
I will be joining the 11 group but up in the air as to when. Since a new 'puter with all the current resources already opens up new horizons after such a long stretch with years back specs. However somehow (with much effort) managed to squeeze every last ounce of energy out of it to make it worth the trouble.
With 11 and newer equipment specs to run it, there are some high expectations -
Keep us updated. I may work up the courage to give it a shot.
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