Windows 10 legacy boot manager after Windows 7 upgrade

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  1. TS4H

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    Iv have a strange dilemma regarding the boot menu in Windows 10 Pro 64. Since the upgrade from windows 7 64 I never noticed that the boot configuration in msconfig was listed as windows 7 till now. Windows 10 is functioning as normal regardless the OS being listed as W7. This is shown during boot and I have an option to select Macrium system recovery. The delay time was 3 seconds, maybe why I have always missed it. Changing the name listing from Windows 7 to Windows 10 was easy enough using EasyBCD. I have tried using several command lines such as the following

    Code:
    bcdedit /set "{current}" bootmenupolicy legacy
    for legacy boot menu (aka Dos looking)

    and

    Code:
    bcdedit /set {default} bootmenupolicy standard
    for the (Standard aka Blue native Windows 10 look).

    Unfortunately I cant seem to enable the Blue native windows 10 boot manager.

    Easy BCD shows that it is listed as Standard under "Display mode\Detailed (debug Mode)\bootmenupolicy"=Standard.

    Similarly to
    Code:
    CMD ''bcdedit /enum /v" bootmenupolicy=Standard
    All the required settings seem to be there, but still the old legacy boot menu persists.

    I have also resorted to running mentioned commands as well as inserting installation disk, opening CMD and running
    Code:
    bootrec /rebuildbcd
    
    and
    
    bootrec /fixmbr
    OS is installed with MBR. Has anyone seen this before? or does anyone have any advice to show the standard windows 10 boot menu. I advise everyone who upgraded to check this.

    Much appreciated.
     
  2. TS4H

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    Still no luck regarding boot manager. Pc cannot resume from sleep since W10 install as well. o_O
     
  3. Raza0007

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    I do not know why your BCD entry is listed as Windows 7. Have you tried installing a fresh copy of Windows 10?

    Regarding your question about how to get the blue boot menu, I have not played with msconfig, but I did notice that when I changed my default OS from inside Windows 10 to Windows 7 (I have both Windows 10 and 7 installed), it changed the boot menu to the legacy Windows 7 mode, but when I switched back to Windows 10 again, the menu got changed back to the blue Windows 10 version.

    To change the default OS boot into Windows 10 and then go to:

    Control Panel > System and Security > System > Advanced System Settings > Startup and Recovery Settings > Default Operating System
     
  4. Raza0007

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    For the sleep function to work properly you need a BIOS firmware upgrade. My Dell laptop came with Vista pre installed. The sleep function works fine with Vista but does not work with Windows 7. Dell only supports Vista on my laptop and has not released a firmware upgrade for Windows 7 onwards.

    So, check your PC manufacturer and see if they have released a BIOS firmware upgrade for Windows 10 for your PC.
     
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    Thanks for your reply. The control panel method already lists W10 as the default OS. I have not reinstalled W10 since I upgraded windows 7, but I may down the track as the OS is working and booting without issue. Just a minor annoyance.

    Regards.
     
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    Thanks for that tip. Its a 2008 release Gigabyte for one of the first i7's. I doubt they will have a bios update, but none the less ill have a look into it.
     
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    One other thing I can suggest is that if you have Windows 10 installation media in ISO form or on USB flash drive, boot into it and choose the "repair my computer option" and then select "Startup Repair". It will reinstall the Windows 10 based BCD hive and you will get your blue screen back.

    The above options may be named slightly different, I am quoting from memory.
     
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    Unfortunately I have already tried that, received an error message stating "the current operation is not supported". That blew my mind, from that point on I had no idea what was going on. Im at an utter loss. Something is clearly corrupt albeit everything seems to be working fine. Its one of the weirdest issues iv ever had.

    regards.
     
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    I am unfortunately at a loss to offer any more suggestions, since I am new to Windows 10 myself.

    If you have time, my advice would be to format your partition and reinstall a fresh copy of Windows 10. I am not a big fan of upgrades. So many things can go wrong and then cause endless headaches. In Windows 10 case it was necessary for the free activation, but once you have an activated Windows 10, you can format and reinstall Windows 10 on that PC as many times as you like.
     
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    Thank you for you suggestions, and given the quoted point I may as well do that. Or I may even just leave it, and when the service updates arrive in October ill do a proper reformat and reinstall then. Given all the issues people have been having its best wise to give it time to mature and let MS iron out the kinks. More for piece of mind than anything.

    Regards.
     
  11. J_L

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    I think that menu only appears in multi-boot installs. I just go to F8 > "Repair Your Computer" to access the new startup utilities. Plus you can always access them in Settings via F8 "Safe Mode".
     
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    It should still show given i have 1 OS installed and the Macrium Reflect Boot Media as well with a 3 sec delay on default boot W10 OS.

    That is still accessible yes, however pressing F8 on boot "repair your Computer " prompts an error stating " Error 0x239bfhdk OS not available... " (or somthing like that). The wierd thing is I can add
    Code:
    bcdedit /set {globalsettings} advancedoptions true
    with advanced options, and it shows the standard blue boot menu. But then using
    Code:
    bcdedit /set {default} bootmenupolicy standard
    returns to legacy.

    I have no idea what is going on o_O.
     
  13. Hadron

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    Does F8 work again in Windows 10?
     
  14. TS4H

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    I heard that it was removed as an option on boot in windows 10. In my case given I have legacy mode. F8 works. For windows 10 you can enable legacy mode if you wish to restore F8 functionality via
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    bcdedit /set "{current}" bootmenupolicy legacy
     
  15. mantra

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    Hi
    i know it's almost offtopic but is there a free utility to edit the bcd ?
    in the past i used EasyBCD no more free
    thanks
     
  16. Raza0007

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    mantra, EasyBCD is still free for non commercial use. Just go to this link, scroll down to the non commercial free version and click the "Register" button and on the next page just click the "Download" button. You do not even need to fill out the name and email.

    From the above link you will get the last major version 2.2 that was released in 2012. I would however recommend that you download the latest beta release, 2.3 beta build 199, that was released on August 3, 2015, and can be found here. You will need to register as a forum member before you can download this file. For registration you will need to provide your name and email address for forum activation. I have been using this beta for the last week and it is very stable, almost a finished product.
     
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    I was just replying to @mantra, and I remembered that EasyBCD latest beta build can install the Windows 8 metro bootloader, which is the same as Windows 10. Try that to fix your problem. The download link is in the post right before this one.
     
  18. mantra

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    Thanks Raza
    i was thinking about VisualBcd
     
  19. TS4H

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    My Mistake.

    To conclude this thread I have finally solved this problem using EasyBCD Recovery Essentials. At the Moment the Professional version is available on their website for free located here. https://neosmart.net/EasyRE/ and supports Windows 10. Its an ISO that runs on boot. Select recovery and choose partion with C: installed. It scanned and corrected the errors in my MBR. To make a note, EasyBCD did install the W8 Metro bootloader as you described. But it had no effect. Back to recovery essentials, upon reboot it completely removed my existing Dual boot option with Macrium reflect restore boot media. Upon reinstalling The Macrium boot media the Windows 10 standard boot loader is shown.

    To sum,

    • Make sure you grab your free Neosoft Recovery Essentials Pro. https://neosmart.net/EasyRE/
    • Windows 10 was mistakenly listed as Windows 7 in legacy boot loader for some reason. EasyBCD rewrite was possible.
    • EasyBCD was useless to intall the metro bootloader in version 2.3 beta 199 albeit to their defence they are not officially supporting W10.
    • Above mentioned command line had no effect except for the advanced boot menu options
    • Recovery Essentials saved the day
    Thank you everybody for your help especially @Raza0007

    regards.
     
  20. Raza0007

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    @TS4H, I was glad to be of assistance and thank you for letting me know about the free give away of EasyRE Professional for Windows 10. If I had known it was free, I would have recommended EasyRE to you instead of EasyBCD, as EasyRE Pro is a far more powerful utility.

    Take care,
     
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    nvm...........
     
  22. Keith E

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    My problem seems similar to this post from "TS4H"

    I have a laptop that was a Windows 7 machine that had an Windows 10 in place update performed on it a few months back. I had been running fine but recently had been randomly crashing. Two days ago, it crashed again and would boot to the "Startup Repair" mode attempt to run then tells me "Startup Repair" couldn't repair your PC. and endlessly loop through that (if you told it to reboot) unless I went the Advanced Options.

    At one point it out of the blue it displayed the path to the "SrtTrail.txt" file which apparently is the log train for the "Startup Repair". The screwing thing is I check the date/time on the log file and each time the "Startup Repair" runs it does update the file whether it displays it on the screen. So apparently it could be random whether MS lets you know where to look for clues. Yeah MS!

    Any way the I looked at the "SrtTrail.txt" and it states that the following pass. "Check for Updates" "System Disk Test" "Disk Failure Diagnosis" "Disk Metadata Test" "Target OS Test" "Volume Content Check" and the Root cause found "The operating system variation is incompatible with Startup Repair" I did a bit of Googling and found others with the same problem :/www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/591062/bad-system-config-infor-error-when-booting-in-windows-10/ But they did not have success in reviving the Machine

    I tried the steps in this video "How to fix Windows 10 start-up problems - Blackscreen, Bootloop, Infinite Loading [HD 60FPS]"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2f-GorXWkoc , but it was not successful. It still does the same thing.

    Anyone know of a way of resolving the issue that would leave my programs intact? Is is as simple of having the correct BCD entry?
    If so, does anyone know what the BCD entry should be for a Windows 7 box that had a Windows 10 in place upgrade done?
    How do I correct it, if the entry is wrong?

    The current entry is
    osdevice: partition=E:
    Systemroot: \windows
    resumeobject: {3c5d113c-777-11e5-82d9-8199ff9a6bfc}
    nx: Optin
    boomenupolicy: Standard

    Windows Boot Loader
    --------------------------------
    Identifier: {a7d535a4-b569-11es-9cbf-b7227090324f}
    Device: unknown
    Path: \Windows.old\Windows\system32\winload.exe
    Description: Windows 7 Home Premium
    Local: en-US
    OSdevice: unknown
    Systemroot: \Windows.old\Windows
    Bootmenupolicy: Legacy

    Thanks in advance.
     
  23. Keith E

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    Just an updated question. Since the Boot loader is looking for Path: \Windows.old\Windows\system32\winload.exe and it is no longer there (but I saved a copy on a USB drive), could i just put it back in place and see if the self repair runs, or the system boots?
     
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