Windows 10 Creators Update Problems, Privacy Invasion & Petition for Change

Discussion in 'privacy problems' started by EASTER, May 15, 2017.

  1. EASTER

    EASTER Registered Member

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    Delete if this is already been posted but I found this quite a listen indeed!

    Opinions?

    youtube.com/watch?v=wPFbAqICUJo
     
  2. Minimalist

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    I have to agree with him, but I don't think that petition will change what they're planning to do with this OS.
     
  3. EASTER

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    Yeah, at present it flies in the face with their current plans to keep drawing O/S data out but who knows what might eventually be the switcher to convince them for an Opt-Out from it.

    It is pretty cool to get a perspective in quite the way that this one is.
     
  4. Peter2150

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    Simply put Microsoft doesn't care. When I first messed with the insiders program almost 90% of the feedback people said they didn't like the update approach leave it as it was. Microsoft politely ignored them. Unfortunately the only thing that will get them listen is money.

    Also the fellow in that video has another video that really helps dealing with privacy issue. Turned me back to an old friend Spybot, which has a neat privacy immunizer. Best part of it is that it re immunizes on every reboot.
     
  5. EASTER

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    So glad you picked up on that other vid.

    I was going to mention it above but assumed (rightly) most in here would easily turn to it after this one.

    That perspective on matters is equally impressive.
     
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    I remember there was a time I'd go to bat for MS and the windows OS back in the day, especially when apple started to become the sexy fad (the colored monitors), but now, it's so hard to not take the "Con" side of the argument more often than not. Enterprise LTSB is a pretty stable and smooth OS I must admit, but of course, it's not available to all. It is interesting to see how many people simply could care less about privacy, stating "I have nothing to hide", or "if you have something to hide, then you must be doing something wrong". I suppose they would sing a different tune if I asked to see their SN number, or informed them that their camera would be used to randomly record video of their household, or asked to see those private pictures of they took of their spouse late one evening. Bells would go off immediately, but since, you know, they have nothing to hide, why can't I take a peek at those steamy pics? Why do they care that some guy on the other side of the world might see their family as they interact in their home? Oh, that's right, it's called privacy. It's no one's business, unless it's meant to be. That's kind of the idea behind privacy; the ability of keeping something personal, no matter how secretive or silly or meaningless it may seem, it's no one else's business, but the owner's.

    I'm not sure how true the "Never send data" option is under the data collection option in enterprise, but I would image it must be pretty accurate as they couldn't risk data from businesses being leaked without getting tangled up in unwanted lawsuits (however, the ol EULA can change with every release so, I suppose that's the double edge sword of computer legality). I also monitored network traffic with wireshark for a period of time and didn't seem to see any increased outgoing connections, but then again, who knows. Strange times indeed.....
     
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    Wow, thanks for this one. Yes, the Full setting is back on in Settings/Feedback and Diagnostics, never would have thought to go back and check again. :cautious: Has anyone used cmd to block all the outbound connections to telemetry-ville? I used Winaero method and had taken a bunch of them out. They're still in effect at least.

    A partial list:

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  8. EASTER

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    EGads! That is totally outrageous to flood an O/S with such lineage traffic and for what purpose exactly?

    I am a conserve energy nut about many devices and such (I remember Dad reminding often saying turn that light off, or stop wasting water etc boy if you're not using it)

    Why on earth does M$ want to gum up bandwidth/resources just to fill some database with remote data comparisons/usage measurements etc. all in the name of a better end user experience?
     
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    Windows 10 Professional is also very nice.

    With the telemetry thing, I figure that for the past, I dunno, year and some, Microsoft has gathered enough, this system is pretty much perfect, thanks. That's my comfort zone. I disagreed with some of the video, namely about Internet Explorer, but I liked the way he presented the information overall.
     
  10. EASTER

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    Microsoft shot itself in the foot with that campaign to cram it onto the uses in the manner they did which was plenty enough for end users to have a legitimate beef over it.

    Kill the telemetry once and for all and concentrate on making it a system users and business alike can be encouraged about and they will have more positive feedback and yes contributions to sharing some data to them once they end the tunneling to vacuuming transmissions of forcing draw outs like they added in it.
     
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    officially : "we care about you and and will make user experience a priority"
    behind the scene : "we don't care, you need Windows ! mwahahahahahaha"

    officially: telemetry is needed to improve the user experience and solve issues we may missed without it.
    behind the scene : "hey dude , everybody need cash, in what world are you living? CareBear Land ? mwhahahahaha"

    :argh:
     
  12. NormanF

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    Just disable telemetry. I did that on Enterprise LTSB upon install and I later set it permanent with Winaero Tweaker.

    There is no reason for Microsoft to spy on you - and who knows what they would do with information they collect.

    People value their privacy.
     
  13. EASTER

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    I will tell you straight up on Windows 10 Enterprise that there are plenty enough ENERGY ROBBING services that we DO NOT NEED for a much more smooth enjoyable if not even SNAPPIER better user experience than all the crap that's been added.

    Still combing through Scheduled Tasks this week and it's mind boggling all the Send This and That Data Collection to ms servers etc.

    This just keeps getting better. The more unecessary services turned off the faster and quicker Windows 10 responds!

    Sorry but most of that only serves to bog down (as usual) what an operating system is supposed to perform like. PERIOD!

    That is unless of course to follow through with investing in yet more high dollar ENHANCED hardware equipped computers that can carry all that extra load.

    Heck fire, I am a truck driver and I know something about how a motor suffers DEMAND STRESS the more weight that the dock loads onto your trailer to pull.
     
  14. snerd

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    I've gotten to where I pretty much boot only Linux Mint. The infrequent times I might boot Windows 10 is when I want to watch something on Netflix. I cannot get it to play in Linux!
     
  15. NormanF

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    I don't have Scheduled Tasks set up and I find nothing uploaded to Microsoft servers.

    Only services running are those related to Windows and VB. I run a nearly decade old PC here and Windows is fast and responsive.

    Without compromising privacy.
     
  16. NormanF

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    You need Silverlight plugin to watch Netflix shows. On Windows 10, Amazon Prime supports HTML5 playback.
     
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    Yep. I have a fairly new desktop that boots win 7 or win xp from 2 different HDDs. On the same hardware, win xp is lightening fast compared to win 7. I imagine the difference would be much more noticeable with win 10.
     
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    The easiest way to do Netflix in Mint is to download and install Google Chrome (not Chromium). Then Netflix just works, same as in Windows...
     
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    Very noticeable sure.

    Performance is greatly improving for every service pulled that is completely not only unnecessary but throttles the resources.

    It seems it's the same old story relived again and again with each new release. HoHum
     
  20. Umbra

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    and since Win10 Home is "free" , they won't care a minute, if it was a petition made by all the businesses using Enterprise version, it will have way more weight...oh but guess what ? enterprise version has less telemetry and it can be disabled... :rolleyes:

    MS made a very efficient stratagem.
     
  21. EASTER

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    What I get from poking around inside this bear's various DEEP settings looks a whole lot like Microsoft making a gallant attempt to address all the threats they been the butt end of for quite awhile.

    I say leave most of that to the industries who already been engaged in refining those matters for years. Sure close up loose ends and the like but when an operating system begins to behave on the order of a Norton's in thinly resourced XP days it just drives consumers to turn attention in another direction.

    Won't even go into how quickly I've already experienced Win 10 after yanking some of the nonsense strings attached to it and I mean boot up one's at that mostly.

    Most users are as much about Top Performance as they are New Features, and I mean useful efficient features not the privacy channeling ones going out for this, and that, etc.

    I agree with the member who said they could just as easily perform all those checks IN HOUSE before ever releasing the darn thing for mass usage.
     
  22. snerd

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    I just found another way, and it works! I use Firefox and didn't want to have to install Chrome. There is a setting in Preferences, Content, Play DRM content. That has to be checked. Then install Random Agent Spoofer add-on. Open it and choose one of the Chrome choices. Works like a champ now!
     
  23. Kerodo

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    Cool, I didn't know that worked in Linux. Great.....
     
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