Windows 10 Announced - Released 29-Jul-2015

Discussion in 'other software & services' started by ronjor, Sep 30, 2014.

  1. Rolo42

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    Do typical Home edition users even know what an image is?
    My take for John Q. User: let Windows take care of Windows--do what it tells you (update, configure backup, answer the firewall popups deliberately, install a vetted AV suite) and you (and your friends and neighbours) will be fine. You will have system images, restore points, incremental backups, pre-boot recovery options, malware protection, firewall protection, vulnerability protection (through updates--first line of defence), and you don't have to fiddle with it after initial setup! Microsoft shouldn't be faulted for this--in fact, considering what the OS costs, it should have these things (not not frilly fluff like mediocre media players).

    Ounce of prevention: 90%+ Client PC cleanups/disasters I've dealt with could have been avoided by merely not bucking the system (no pun intended), even with UAC off (by all means disable it if it gets on your nerves).
     
  2. Kerodo

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    When you think about it, they way they had updates working in previous Win version was fine. Default was set to automatic updates, and perhaps the masses just left that alone. But control was there, if you wanted or needed it. Now, everything is forced. The only reason I can see why they would do this is so that they can force future "features" and changes on all 10 users without anyone being able to stop them or change it. In other words, if you are running 10, they may very well be taking you down some jolly ridiculous road they have planned according to their agenda and desires. This definitely does NOT sound desirable or good IMO. But ponder it a bit, why else would they *force* updates on us, as everything was already working fine by default?
     
  3. Kerodo

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    As I mentioned before (I think), an image won't help... Restore the image, and the faulty update just comes again.. No control, no stopping it.
     
  4. Victek

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    Apart from your speculation there is the real problem that Windows Update in XP/Vista/7 did not always succeed in installing updates even though set to automatic. I still occasionally come across computers set to update automatically that are missing service packs or the latest version of Internet Explorer. Hopefully this new update system will fix that. There's also the issue of zero day exploits which should be fixed ASAP instead of on a designated day, eg Patch Tuesday.
     
  5. Kerodo

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    There's no guarantee that the Win 10 update system will work properly either. In fact, I'd bet money that it won't. I'm still not convinced that there is any real justification for them forcing updates in 10 Home. And aside from justification, I think it's also a disaster waiting to happen, when an update borks a user's system, and after restoring the OS, the update just keeps on coming, over and over in an endless loop.

    I just don't like what they're doing here... and I don't think it will work out. I think they will have to change their stance on the forced update issue before too long. Of course that's just my opinion, but it makes sense to me... ;)

    Time will tell who's right, and who's wrong...
     
  6. Peter2150

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    Don't count it. I was having trouble getting build 10240. So I rebuilt my VM with a fresh install from the 10162 ISO. 1st update attempt didn't even show latest build. 2nd attempt found the build, but it didn't install on reboot. Finally on 3rd attempt it worked. Not great.
     
  7. Rolo42

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    This assumes that an update will always be faulty and never get resolved; has that ever happened? (I only know of two and they were fixed 1 and 3 days apart and they weren't OS-breaking.)

    Manual (usually forgotten) updates is a "cure" worse than the ailment: putting yourself and everyone at risk because of a few temporary glitches that are far from the norm.
     
  8. Victek

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    I had difficulty receiving and updating some of the previews too, but I feel it premature to judge the system based on that. After all the "Windows Insider Program" was created to help develop and test the system. The whole thing is still beta-ware until the 29th.
     
  9. Victek

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    I'm with you actually, in that I would prefer they keep the option to defer updates ala Windows 7. By removing that option in Windows 10 Microsoft is really putting itself on the spot to make the update system work better; there will be a terrible backlash if it doesn't and as you say they may have to reconsider. As is there are a couple of options. One is to choose to stop receiving insider builds; I've read that those who remain on the insider track will receive updates first. Another is to upgrade from Home to Pro; by the way do we know yet what that will cost?
     
  10. Peter2150

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    Pro doesn't help much. All you can do different is defer the reboot.
     
  11. 3x0gR13N

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    On Pro you can configure WU through policies:
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  12. subhrobhandari

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    Any thoughts on this? :eek: What if the AV/AM is password protected?
     
  13. Victek

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    it sounds like the Windows 10 upgrade process will uninstall AV/AS apps as a precaution regardless of their subscription status. Is that what you take from it? I think it's a good idea to temporarily uninstall AV/AS; I plan to do it manually. It will be interesting to see if the upgrade can successfully automate such a complex process.
     
  14. Kerodo

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    Nobody is suggesting "manual" updates. I'm just saying that there is no justification for them "forcing" updates. The way it has been for decades has worked fine. No need to remove options and power from the user.

    If an update is bad for a small group of users, how fast do you really think it's going to be fixed? There have been issues and problems with updates that have never gotten fixed. You're much too optimistic.

    I installed insider build 10162 a few weeks ago, and the first thing it did was failed on 2 updates, install 3, and then a few hours later, it installed those same 3 AGAIN. I wouldn't call that update system anything but a mess. That's why, based on what I've seen in the preview builds, and during this past year, I don't have much confidence in their update system.
     
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  15. Kerodo

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    I like what they've done with 10 more or less, so I'm not down on 10, just skeptical about the updating system based on what we've all seen this past year. I certainly do hope that they clean things up and that the quality improves. As you said, it more or less needs to if they want to avoid chaos... Let's hope it does. :)
     
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    NO 'start' button!! oh my!!
     
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    That's similar to Windows 7, or maybe even just like it depending on how you interpret "users can download and install any available updates". Does that mean you can choose which ones to install?
    Where in Windows 10 do you find policies?
     
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    Type gpedit.msc in run, Computer configuration>Administrative templates>Windows components>Windows update. Windows Pro only AFAIK. I don't think you can select which updates to install after you're notified there are updates available, but I'll pay attention next time.
     
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    Yeah this automatic WU idea is "interesting", but I really wonder if MS have thought this through properly. Time will tell...
     
  21. Raza0007

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    I have a question. Does the latest release of Windows 10 still require you to agree to share data and feedback with MS before you can install and test it?

    If so, then will the version that is supposed to be released on the 29th require the same conditions or will it be like regular retail copy?

    Thanks.
     
  22. Soujirou

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    I'm not sure how the different builds behave in that regard, but I did notice at https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/default.aspx, under Windows, Telemetry & Error Reporting, Usage and connectivity data:

    I'm inclined to think that will apply to final release. If you are concerned about such things you might want to try to determine what, exactly, can't be turned off.
     
  24. Raza0007

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    Thanks for the helpful link, but that is not what I was asking.

    When Windows 10 preview was launched, in order to install and test it, you were required to agree to submit feedback and random usage data or something like that back to MS. Is that still being done in the latest build or has that process stopped?

    I just want to install and test drivers compatibility on my PC, without becoming an MS insider or anything like that.
     
  25. subhrobhandari

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    http://www.pcworld.com/article/2951...240-is-what-youll-find-on-windows-10-pcs.html
     
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