As for Avira, does anyone know if the recursion default of 1 will address the alleged "defeat" if recursion is moved to 10? Also, there is no date on this that I can find but is anyone aware if these issues with Avira and F-Secure have been addressed? Here is a broken link to the wikileaks release - hxxts://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/page_14587956.html#efmAC_AES Here is a text copy of the document contents -