OK,I throw out a challege.Who is safer? The only app that auto starts on my pc is ZAP mainly for program control as I have a hardwre firwall. Starting FF with adlock plus and noscript through Sandboxie IMHO protects better thasn any blacklist realtime scanners. Sure I have E-Trust vet And Ewido as on demand scanners which never find a thing after emptying the sandbox. As for Emails I only use OE which I complement with Palmail to check and delete any unwanted incoming Emails at the servers end. So what I am saying is that I don't run an AV or AS realtime! If and that is a big "IF I ever get infected my ghost images and or clone will get me out of of it which have never been implemented due to malware. Do you think you are safer than my setup?