Who buys it?

Discussion in 'other anti-malware software' started by trjam, Jan 10, 2008.

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  1. trjam

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    to finally answer my question, "Who buys it." the answer is simple. Is is best summed up with, "Who gets it."

    The successful ones here are the ones with open eyes and hearts. That not only believe in their products, but also in their current and future customers. The ones that take the time, to explain their products in detail so that no matter where you reside on this continent, you understand. The ones that take the beating, warranted or not, and return each day to continue on. That is exactly who gets it, and that my friend, is exactly why, we buy it.
     
  2. ProSecurity

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    Do all of these trolls realize that they are trolls?
    Isn't it the duty of those who know, to enlighten those who don't?
     
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    What you know, or what you perceive to know, is not really a true and accurate measurement of the reality, of who members may truthfully portray themselves as, here at Wilders.

    cheers:cool:
     
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    That may be, but the "illusion" of reality that we have here is still more realistic than the reality that >99% of the public believe in...
     
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    Then as a vendor, I would perceive that 99 percent of potental consumers if educated to my product as, shall we say, " Mighty good pickens.";)
     
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    Mr. Blue enlightened me with a post that indicated that at the current rate of malware development, all things considered, we are looking at a 47-fold increase in the next five years.

    Some will argue that the market is saturated with security solutions, since now in addition to AVs we have AS, AT, AR, HIPs, various forms of sandbox and virtualization solutions...

    IMO the variety of solutions available indicates to me that we are in the Dark Age of Security!

    We have more threat vectors than ever before, and to all those who say, "I have be using an AV and a firewall for ten years, and I have never been infected, my security has never been compromised", I am afraid you will be party to a rude awakening.

    Blind reliance on an AV and a firewall is not enough anymore, unless you want to be a holdout, and are willing to be a victim just to prove your point.
     
  7. MikeNash

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    I'm sure not, see below..

     
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    I think he was speaking in relative terms to the high number of products on the market and the unknown factor of what lies ahead from the dark side.

    The one I have seen here is, the abundance of creative minds that are working on the good side. Who knows what new innovations may be created by some here, big or small. I personally know of some behind the scenes projects that Avira is working on. As to if or if not they make it into production, remains to be seen.
     
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    Well, if you believe that by providing a free version of your product you are somehow educating the "masses", then are are free to take whatever actions to support your belief.

    IMO the people who will pay for your product don't care if you have a free version, and those who love your free version most likely will never buy your paid version.

    I made my living in software development for over ten years; I think there is a reason why MS has never made any of their products freeware, even the oldest MS-DOS 5.0 software.
     
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    The abundance of creative minds that are working on the good side are DWARFED by those working on the dark side.
    We are all, users, and developers of products such as SSM, Online Armor, waiting for the new innovations that may be created by these members of the dark side, so that we may all react.
     
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    What on earth did I say to lead you to that conclusion? Free version is a marketing activity. Instead of spending big on advertising, we offer a free version - everybody wins.

    You're entitled to that opinion. It's wrong. But you're entitled to it anyway.

    Visual Studio 2008 Express. Free.
    Internet Explorer - Free.
    Outlook Express - Free.

    Or did you mean there is a reason why MS have not made any products free? In which case - you're stating the obvious.
     
  12. trjam

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    Mike, you forgot one. "Updates" :)
     
  13. ProSecurity

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    Just like you are entitled to your opinion, which is also wrong. ;)
    I am surprised that as a developer you would come up with such a weak argument.
    Let me assist:
    SQL Server 2005 Express - Free.
    IBM DB2 C Express - Free.
    Oracle Database 10g Express - Free.

    Well it seems to me that all those corporations mentioned are multi-billion dollar corporations which can afford to make a loss in one market segment to kill their competition.

    I was unaware that your entity was in a similar league?
     
  14. MikeNash

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    Also wrong? But we can't BOTH be wrong on this point.

    I receive emails from people that say "I liked your free firewall, so I bought the paid version"... just as I have emails from people who run the paid version, thanking me for making the free version available.

    This makes your original statement is incorrect.

    Weak argument? You said that that MS have never released any freeware, and I gave you a list of MS Freeware (which you added to!). I don't think I could have delivered a stronger argument!

    Sure, but that's not what we were talking about. We were talking about your assertion that MS had NEVER released ANY freeware.

    I didn't realise we were having a size comparison :D
     
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    You are very patient.
     
  16. trjam

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    that is why people buy his products.:cool:
     
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    LOL! Make a Vista version and I'll buy it. Last couple posts is a testament to how good the support is for OA.
     
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    Please keep in mind one other comment - the analysis reflects the product lifecycle of XP. As long as people do not disable Vista UAC (or do but implement a stronger replacement option), this will constitute a market shift. Another unknown is the future influence of Apple. Personally, I think it will be rather strong and driven by the pull of their media influence. The ultimate force of Linux will remain unknown for a bit. I know there are strong pockets and grass roots support, but it really takes more than that.
    The situation is very similar to that which unfolded when PC's first hit the market. Plenty of options going in vastly different directions - at the time that was true of OS's, application software, compilers, and hardware. The situation is closest to the avalanche of low cost compilers that hit the market in the early days of the PC. After a while, the market coalesced around a limited number of preferred approaches. The same will happen here. Note that I said approaches, not vendors, although there is strong alignment there at least initially.
    Blind reliance on anything is never the best course of action, but it is occasionally a reality. Another reality is that open markets are relatively efficient. If there is value in alternate approaches, there is an economic incentive to make them work well in the mainstream, and someone will figure out how to do it and be rewarded for making it happen.

    Blue
     
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    Ahemmmnnnn! It seems I buy software.

    On my PC I have 37 applications (excluding apps bundled with Windows OS lie IE browser amd Media Player) the only two free apps are BlueJ and R 2.6.1

    It is possibe there is a free alternative for all the sofware i got. :D
     
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    :D
    Vista is coming, along with a beer truck.;)
     
  21. ProSecurity

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    I was just humoring you, Mr. Nash.

    And have you received any emails from people who say, "Thanks for releasing a free product that fulfills my requirements; now I don't have to buy your full version!"?
    Because, believe it or not Mr. Nash, those individuals FAR outnumber the ones who loved your free version and was later "moved" to buy your paid version.
    This is the age of "Free Software" and torrents; the vast majority are looking for a free ride, and those who aren't are increasingly being made to feel that they are either simple-minded or old-fashioned for thinking otherwise.
    No, Mr. Nash.
    That is what YOU were talking about.
    My point which you apparently missed was that Microsoft has never released any freeware product in order to entice someone to buy their paid-for product.
    They, and other successful software houses, release products for other reasons, such as to deprive a competitor of market share.
    Please enlighten me if you have evidence to the contrary.

    As that was not my intial intention, I didn't realise that either. :D
     
  22. ProSecurity

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    As usual, your commentary was insightful.
     
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    Lets all rush over to trjams house and rob him of the beer truck :p
     
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    Yes there are a lot of people who want to free ride. So then how do you know the people who are satisfied with the free version was going to pay for the full version in the first place? Does it not follow that free riders will not pay, freeware version or not? Do you have any evidence that people are not buying OA because there is a free version?

    That is true but their marketing strategy is to provide FREE and open platforms so that a kind of software ecology is formed around their product.Google gives away good FREE software/services in order to create a massive information database to leverage off. PREVX was initially FREE to create a malware database. Comodo gave away a FREE firewall and is now offer a paid for cleaning service. eEye releases Blink for FREE to build a vulnerabilities database.

    Many companies offer free products/services as part of their business strategy. If Tallemu is giving away OA, thats their business decision. If Tallemu has found it to be successful then good for them.
     
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