Discussion in 'other anti-malware software' started by dja2k, Dec 15, 2005.
Emsisoft Internet Security
Windows 7 Ultimate x64
ESET Smart Security 8.0
Chrome x64 with uBlock & uMatrix
Waterfox x64 with ABP
Norton Security 2015
New chromebook .
Security, non whatsoever. I am moving away from windows, as fast as possible
How do you game? Unless you want to be stuck with angry birds, then you are going to need Windows. Also, Windows 10 is close, and a remarkable improvement.
Once again.. Chromebooks have malware threats. Mostly in the form of phishing, exploits and some script malware. IMO, a real notebook is just a hundred or so more, and can play games, and run actual windows apps. So why bother? My thinkpad twist has a 7-8 hour battery life, functions as a tablet or notebook, and can run anything windows.
There are offline apps you can download from the chrome web store image editing programs, offline games, you can do office stuff offline edit documents etc and watch videos and listen to music from a usb etc. and yes no need for security set-up see here : https://static.googleusercontent.co...ok/downloads/chromebook-security-built-in.pdf and btw you can not install anything except from chrome web store and they are very light boot up super quick great for education, in fact I am done with Windows I can do everything I need/want from chrome OS if i could not I could just go into developer mode and install ubuntu
I dunno, maybe Developer Mode, Crouton, Wine, etc.? Not that gaming is essential in the first place...
It was a router infection, not an infection on the Chromebook... 4th to last post "...I finally looked into my router and noticed unusual DNS addresses. Looked up these addresses and they were linked to similar cases of router infection. Didn't know that was possible. Maybe related to the linksys moon worm. I tried the Moon worm fixes, but that didn't do it, so resetting the router to factory defaults did it. That explains the multi-device pop-up symptoms. ..."
Gaming...not on the same PC/Xbox I do my banking on. Chromebooks have hardening, supervised users, hardware-based protection (TPM/BIOS) and a sandbox under one signing key to maintain. With 50 odd known vulns quickly patched with no public exploits and with only one gaining persistance, you were likely never exploited over the life of ChromeOS. At under 300 dollars, it's a great tool if only for allowing cheap isolation of data (and the 1080p ips display on the new lappys ). 2SV/2FA ready. Boot from factory image and update securely faster than most can find a LiveCD.
Phishing....SE? Maybe ChromeOS should ship with a wise, motherly sysadmin. I could use more direction in my life.
Windows 7 32-bit:
FF with NoScript, ABP, Ghostery and Self destructing cookies (albeit the last 3 are more privacy-oriented), passwords disabled, plugins set to ask
Sandboxie Pro - auto sandbox browsers, email, office, PDF, games
UAC - maximum
EMET 5.1 - maximum
TC - full drive encryption
Avast IS - DeepScreen, hardened-aggressive, PUPs, maximum sensitivity on all scans
Previously I've run CIS and OA, ESET Smart Security, HMP, and EAM but have come back to avast (this time with the firewall enabled). OA had issues with SBIE and also locked my system up several times (maybe I was *too* paranoid). ESET also locked up on me while tweaking the settings (my system is fairly old and probably couldn't handle it). EAM and HMP seemed superflous, although I'm considering reinstalling HMP. CIS always seemed heavy to me which is why I tried OA, which I really did like (except for the lockups) and I just never went back.
I know avast doesn't have the best AV detection rates and I missing having a proper HIPS -- Things are just too quiet. Not sure if I want to give something else a try... any suggestions?
If i really look onto it, nearly everything i do on a PC i can easily do on a Chromebook or a Chromebox. However if i really move away from windows, ill be giving up the good with the bad. Ill miss the adventure of testing and breaking new software, as well as not having to be very **** off when windows decides to loose its sleep ability for some reason.
If i do move completely away from windows, does this mean i should give up my wilders membership? Can you ever really leave windows?
Still ZA free AV+FW. Tried some other solutions, but was disappointed, especially by Kaspersky IS 2015 beta. It didn't even ask me to allow or block connection when I started Skype. Comodo is pretty strong, but buggy. So, I am staying with ZA.
The layered defense malware needs to pass on my Windows 7 ultimate 32 bits desktop:
1. Router+NAT+Norton ConnectSafe+WPA2PSK > Windows Firewall also blocking outbound
3. Deny execute in threatgate folders > Deny change user autoruns > Disabled risk-ware
4. SRP deny user to execute in user folders > UAC deny elevation of unsigned executables
5. Exploit mitigation: DEP, SEHOP, ASLR, Heap termination on corruption > MBAE Premium
I have given up Wndows completely and will never go back(except for desktop just to game) I love my Chromebook and I am still on wilders and it is still fun to be on wilders
Afaik, that was/is a bug, I am not sure if it got fixed in a module update or not, if not, then the fix should be included in the next service release.
I guess your right, im just so undecided. I wouldn't give up my wilders membership, logging on and reading threads every day can contest to that. I have no reason to stay with windows except for my interest in PC's (software and hardware) and all the pleasures and angers that sometimes go along with it. I do like to stay in control in what my pc is allowed and not allowed to do, chrome OS is just so hassle free... AHH i dont know.
Its no wonder that Chrome OS product sales have increased significantly, and i firmly believe cloud computing is the future. But we will just wait and see.
Trust me it relieves you and leaves you stress free, honestly you will probably live longer if you switch to Chrome OS lower stress and blood preasure LOL really though. I an advanced user on Windows I know how to do advanced stuff and I have not got infected since like 5 years ago when I was a kid lol and I just like no more BSODs and no more reimages everything just works and if you need something more just go into developer mode. No more dealing with messed up windows updates, no more waiting 1 minute just to use my computer, more system resources for what I need to do instead of programs hogging up resources in the background and etc.
Your experience with Windows is in stark contrast to mine.
1) Haven't seen a BSOD in ages, do they still happen in Win 8.1x?
2) My Windows 8.1x takes 9-11 seconds from power on until it's ready.
3) With a good NGFW/UTM, and a reasonable AV w/Reputation, malware is a distant memory.
Should you need to reinstall, Win 8.1 from wipe to ready is roughly 18 minutes w/rescue partition. I've tried every OS, and won't leave Windows mostly because we are now reaching a point with Windows, and products for Windows that are very nearly perfectly done. Windows 10 should be a big turning point based on my testing of it, and others here that have tested it. Much of your complaints are likely related to old hardware, bad software, and poor choices. You can't blame Windows for that, Windows gives you the ultimate choice in everything. ChomeOS shoves one vetted thing down your throat, like it or not.. It's FAR easier to control 'one thing' then it is hundreds of thousands, even millions of things Windows has to deal with. It's not really a fair comparison, but the individual points you mention aren't accurate at all, and don't really mirror every elses experiences.
I suppose if any of us wanted to run ChromeOS it's as easy as downloading it, and tossing it on a USB stick. I'd imagine a really old Windows laptop would run it much better than one of those silly Chromebook's with Tegras.
You have very valid points, i completely agree. I am too sick to death of software updates/patches, windows updates, backups, wasted resources etc. Its one of the many reasons why im leaning towards chrome OS. Especially now that Chrome OS supports MS office online apps (not that i have anything against gDocs) and the announced Photoshop compatibility, im excited to see where Chrome OS is headed. Windows to me has stalled since Windows XP. (disregarding security enhancements, it hasn't developed much over a decade).
Yes fair enough. Windows has its place and yes windows is at a turning point with windows 10. But u cant deny that if all you do on a desktop or laptop is browse the web, write the occasional doc, watch movies and read emails, that chrome OS has its place.
Its a matter of perspective. Its a choice, and thats what we all love, regardless if one sees it the other way round.
Why not run a Linux Distro rather than ChromeOS? Seems like Linux would support more hardware, and have a wider selection of softwares, including Steam support for games. Good ole' Mint would do nicely, and be very secure.
No that build is different then Googles Chrome I OS not auto-updates, no tpm, no verified boot, and btw nvidia tegra k1 is a beast it as good a an intel i5 graphics that is and about as fast an intel baytrail n8240. Regarding Windows it is just the way Microsoft runs it just...horrible, logging everything and it slows windows down and I trust Google WAY more then Microsoft for God's sake they put a keylogger in Windows 10 you have control of what you share with Google Microsoft..eh..not so much.... Chrome OS yes deals with one thing but it deals with one thing well and with that one thing I can do anything I can do on Windows except heavy gaming.. Microsoft should have stepped up along time ago and made Windows more secure for the average user like Chrome OS does I am not saying that it has to be limited but it could do better with security and about updates and etc. Regarding malware is a distant memory of the past on Windows 8.1x and proper firewall and all of that.. It is still a way bigger risk with Windows 8.x WAY more attack surface and it is still Windows more of a chance to get exploited with Windows there has only been one full bypass of Chrome OS by george hotz( http://www.zdnet.com/article/chrome-os-security-holes-found-patched/ ) Windows lol to many to count. Chrome OS is 99% open source and Google is open more then Microsoft. I like Windows do not get me wrong Chrome OS is just better for me and I can do everything I want on it and I will continue to use my Windows desktop just for gaming.
Yeah I did, I just wanted to run Chrome OS because it is lighter, grsec by default, and just like how Chrome OS works better for a student like me. But even as I get older I will continue to use Chrome OS and just Windows for gaming and btw if I want to run Linux all I got to do is turn on developer mode for Chrome OS and if I wanted a Chromebook for gaming I could get one with an i3 and 4gb of ram.
I agree, if that is all that you are doing, then ChromeOS is a great way to go. Very inexpensive also. You can pick up a decent one for 270 or so.
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