what cooler do you use for you Cpu ?

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  1. mantra

    mantra Registered Member

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    Hi

    may i know what cooler do you use for you cpu ?

    water/liquid cooler ?

    i read about Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo , but i don't know how much can it lower the cpu temperature

    in short i had to render with premiere some video , it takes a lot and the cpu is around 70-80° full load

    the video comes from a canon 5d mark 3 and 2 , and i used premiere cc

    thanks
     
  2. Joxx

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    I presume that's with the stock cooler. A 212 Evo would lower that by 15 to 20 Celsius on full load.
    Under lighter loads the gain would be lesser but still worth the upgrade.
    Consider as well the lower noise and you'll have an easy decision.
     
  3. Joxx

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    I always went with air cooling and currently use the Noctua nh-u12s (similar to the 212), which allows for a reasonable overclock even on AMDs.
    Water cooling is either too expensive (custom loops) or noisy (AIOs), and there's always the possibility of leakages.
     
  4. Bill_Bright

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    In the last 10 years, I always go with the OEM air cooler with all our builds. Contrary to what some believe, both AMD and Intel provide excellent coolers with their CPUs that are fully capable of providing adequate cooling, even with mild to moderate overclocking, when installed in a properly cooled and configured case.

    It is critical to understand that it is the case's responsibility to provide a sufficient supply of cool air flowing through the case. It is then the CPU heatsink fan's job to simply toss the CPU's heat into that air flow.

    Yes, there are some after market coolers that cool better and/or are quieter, but these OEM fans still provide excellent cooling and are much quieter than previous generation OEM coolers. It is also important to understand while adequate cooling is critical, cooler temps do not automatically mean better. AS LONG AS the CPU temp is maintained comfortably within its normal operating range, that is just fine. That is, 40°C does NOT provide better performance, better stability, or longer life than a CPU running at 50°C, or even 60°C.

    If I do have to use a 3rd party cooler, for example, with CPUs that don't come with OEM coolers, or with extreme overclocking, I prefer the downward firing coolers like the these. Downward firing fans tend to have a lower profile so they do not disrupt the desired front-to-back flow of air moving through the case as much. For "silent running" HTPCs, I like the Zalman FX100 Ultimate Fanless Cooler.

    For the record, I don't worry about my CPU temps on today's CPUs until they sit above 60° for longer than a few seconds. And when they do sit there for more than a few seconds, that just means it is time for me to clean my air filters of heat trapping dust. And while 60°C is my own personal threshold to take action, the reality is even at 60°C, today's CPUs still have a lot of headroom left before stability becomes an issue, and even more headroom before the CPUs own thermal protection features kick in.
     
  5. mantra

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    hi
    70-80° are to much aren't they?, only adobe premiere cc pushes my cpu to 100% for 1 hour (for example) and i don't know how much could live an intel cpu pushed at 80°
    thanks
     
  6. mantra

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    hi
    Noctua nh-u12s costs more then Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo ,it's snaller then hyper 212 evo ?
    do you think it's better ?
    i don't overclock , does it lower 15 or 20° too (i mean the Noctua) ?

    in short i don't want to overclock , the problem is that i have only 1 software that pushes my cpu and keeps it 100% @80° , it's premiere in rendering task

    what would you suggest ?
    thanks
     
  7. Bill_Bright

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    That actually depends on the CPU - some can run at those temps all day long. But I would not be happy with those temps if they sat up there for more than a couple seconds. Sustained "very warm" temps can increase aging of the socket and surround components. So pushing 80°C would make me very nervous.

    But again, if my temps were that high (and I was not doing heavy overclocking) that tells me my case needs to be providing more cool air flowing through the case, and/or the TIM - thermal interface material - was improperly applied or the cured bond between the heatsink and CPU die was broken hindering the proper transfer of heat to the heatsink. I am assuming the CPU fan is spinning properly too.
    First, make sure you case interior, vents and heatsinks are all clean of heat trapping dust. If clean, see if your case will support additional or larger (at least 120mm) fans.

    What CPU do you have? What case do you have?

    When your CPU is hitting 80°C, is your computer still stable? Or does it freeze or shutdown?
     
  8. Joxx

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    The difference between these two coolers is incremental, the Noctua being of slighter better quality, gaining you 2 or 3 degrees and producing a bit lesser noise. I'd go with the Noctua, if only for the (considerable) gain in silence.
    As to CPU temps there is an interminable discussion so I would say "as cool as possible". Personally I have 70 Celsius as a limit not to be crossed.
     
  9. mantra

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    hi
    on a desktop i have a i7 4790k and on other i7 4770k , fractal artic , i have pushed both for 20 minutes and they seems stable , no freeze or shutdown
    i used HWMonitor_x64.exe to check the temperature

    thanks
     
  10. mantra

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    hi
    the Noctua seems bigger , is it easy to install ,isn't ?
    i mean disable the intel fan and install the noctua
    does it uses 2 fans ?
    thanks
     
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    Fractal is the brand, Arctic is the color. I am going to assume you mean Fractal R4 in Arctic White. If different, let us know.

    Note the R4 comes with two fans, one in front and one in back. But the case supports adding several more case fans, including "blowhole" top fans. Blowhole fans have proven to be very effective at extracting heat. The case allows you to install bottom fan. These can be great for PSUs too. And the case supports a side fan. I have found they don't always provide the expected cooling because they can disrupt the flow through the case. The exception is when the side fan fires into a tube that then directs the cool air directly onto the CPU or GPU (depending on placement).

    Then clearly, it is NOT overheating. But still, cooler temps would be better but again, it is the case's responsibility to provide a sufficient supply of cool air so I would address case cooling first. Also, adding another fan will be less expensive and poses zero risk to the CPU due to ESD, mishandling or improper TIM cleaning/application.

    You might also simply open the side panel and blast a desk fan in there to see what your temps do.
     
  12. Joxx

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    The Noctua is about the same size as the 212 and also uses a 120mm fan. It's famous for its easy of install, there are several tutorials in YouTube. It uses 1 fan; you can add a second but the gain is negligible.
    Bill Bright is right about the Fractal case. Whichever it is (R3, R4, R5) they always come with one intake/one exhaust. You should add a second (front) intake. Since there's no overclock involved there should be no need for more fans, and so you'll benefit from the silence.
     
  13. J_L

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    Stock only. Don't really bother to upgrade since I don't overclock anymore.
     
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    And I bet your temps are fine and your noise levels aren't bad either, right? Which is contrary to what lots of "enthusiasts" would like us to believe.
     
  15. J_L

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    Last time I checked, they were fine. But that was a while ago, but nothing started failing on me cause of temperature yet! Noise is average.
     
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    thermaltake frio very good temps and acoustic level with one fan
     
  17. mantra

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    hi
    it should be Arc Midi R2 Solid Side Panel , it came with tree 14 fans , 1 behind 1 up and 1 in the front
    i can add several fans , what could you suggest ? add a 14 fan in the up and a 14 in the front?
    thanks
     
  18. Bill_Bright

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    If it already has 1 140mm in front, 1 140mm in back, and 1 140mm up top, that should be plenty, but you might want to add one more in front as Jaxx suggested.

    And if you didn't already, replacing the OEM TIM (thermal interface material) with a quality aftermarket TIM should get you another 5°C.
     
  19. mantra

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    Hi Bill
    may i ask a question ?
    add a 14 fan on the left panell that take out (push out) the air of the case could be a good idea?
    thanks
     
  20. CrusherW9

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    I use a Phanteks PH-TC14PE in my main PC (4770k). I HIGHLY recommend it. I also have their PH-TC12LS in my server and would recommend it as well if you need a low profile cooler. Honestly, I wouldn't be worried with 80C temps on a Haswell / Devils Canyon cpu like you have but that's just my opinion. I start to worry when I hit 90C and I dial back whatever overclock I'm pushing for once I hit 95C.
     
  21. Joxx

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    See here for the ultimate fan investigation.
     
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    Stock coolers for stock CPU speeds is all you need, if you have problems maintaining a temperature within design, then you need to look at the the case cooling, how the whole system is cooled. Good air flow through the system benefits all components, most of the big PC manufacturers get this right most of the time.

    On my self built PC the motherboard controls the CPU fan speed, but not case fans, so I bought an Akasha auto thermal case fan that adjusts the speed itself.
     
  23. Bill_Bright

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    NO! If using a side panel fan, you want it to be an intake and blow air into and onto the motherboard.

    Thanks for that link Joxx. Bookmarked. I was interested in the results of using a side panel fan. As I noted above, I have had different results than they had with that case. I may have to look again. My main concern is as they noted, side panel fans typically don't pull air through air filters and I don't like breaking down my computers and lugging them outside to blast out heat trapping dust any more than I have to.
     
  24. mantra

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    Hi Joxx
    great link , i haven't seen it ,bookmarket it too
    thanks Joxx
     
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