Wanted: Julian Assange

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  1. hierophant

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    http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-...assange-hunted-by-pentagon-over-massive-leak/
     
  2. chronomatic

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    I would hate to be that guy. You know that the US govt. will stop at nothing to find and, if need be, eliminate him. The best thing he can do is turn over the cables and hope they never see the light of day. I think this is the beginning of the end of Wikileaks
     
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    i heard a bit about this guy on the radio. apparently he travels all the time so that (1) he has no country of residence, and (2) he can leak on international waters or over international airspace. That way he can muddy the waters regarding jurisdiction and deter prosecutions... at the time i heard the report, the australian ultra right wing govt had confiscated his passport because they claimed it was worn and slightly crumbled. i think they just wanted to keep him under their jurisdiction so he wouldn't leak embarrassing details about their government.
     
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    Assange arranging legal defence for Bradley Manning http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/06/wikileaks-to-lamo/

    Julian Assange gets harassed by federal police in Ausfailia and stalked by government agents in Iceland. They can't do anything to him legally outside the US so this is the type of crap they pull. Wikileaks exists to expose official corruption. National security is whatever threatens their position of power/control/authority, i.e. anything that makes them look bad.
     
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    It appears Assange is the last person who should be pursued ??
     
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    @Longboard

    Hopefully you're not referring to me ;)

    In other news, Cryptome is now seriously attacking Wikileaks, linking to Wikileaks leakers. This is becomming quite the spy-vs-spy soap opera.
     
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    Thanks, Longboard :) That thread is quite wild ;)

    One of the latest comments reminded me of claims by "Asian intelligence sources" (and Cryptome!) that Wikileaks is a CIA/Mossad/Soros operation <http://kennysideshow.blogspot.com/2010/03/is-wikileaks-ciamossad-front.html>. And then I remembered the New Yorker article with speculation that Wikileaks was started with documents harvested from Tor by China's Ghostnet <http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/06/07/100607fa_fact_khatchadourian>.

    Who's on first?
     
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    The backside of this story is interesting.

    We know Assange is an incredibly gifted hacker and has insights into the web that leave most far behind.

    Allegedly, and I have no real knowledge of this, the video and classified information was given to Assenge in encrypted form.
    Assange was supposedly able to break that encryption and has been saying he stripped out any identifying data as to source, which may not have been to0 difficult. That in itself is a moot now in light of Manning's arrest.

    If Assange really decrypted US Military papers and video ( with a couple of friends and and uncertain resources) : no wonder the US is concerned re more than the video itself.

    This is the latest Australian effort to characterize Assange: ( hot release: shown today )
    http://www.abc.net.au/foreign/content/2010/s2929883.htm
    The video's not there yet: soon :oops:
    Here: :)
    http://www.abc.net.au/foreign/content/2010/s2934042.htm
    Interestingly they have gone a long way back with some archival footage.

    The Policeman who caught him for hacking back then has actually given his tacit support to Wikileaks as a concept and has obvious regard and respect for Assange.

    Icelands new 'data freedom' laws might be causing a few chills here and there.
    Heh: watch financial support to their bankrupt economy start drying up ??

    Another little story:
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/06/22/2933892.htm
     
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    I don't think Assange broke any encryption. More likely is that Manning sent him the encryption keys and Assange made up the story about "breaking the encryption" in order to cover for Manning. Think about it, why would Manning send the video to Assange with no way to decrypt it? Makes no sense.

    There is a huge difference in being a programmer (hacker) and in being a crypto expert. It takes PhD's in discrete mathematics and an expertise in combinatorics and number theory to even begin thinking about "breaking" something like AES. Many geniuses routinely try to break algorithms like that and fail. I doubt Assange would be able to pull it off.
     
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    You may be right.
    Agree that it sounds more likely that wikileaks received the files in native format.
    I think I had read somewhere about the decrypting, but it was a while ago and I couldn't find the link.
     
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    @Longboard

    I also recall the claim that Wikileaks decrypted the video, and that doing so required some effort. Perhaps Manning provided the key, but performing the decryption required using or emulating some sort of proprietary military software. Pure speculation, obviously.
     
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    If the US is putting in so much resources in finding the founder of wiki leaks I don't get why they don't instead have the site removed?
     
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    Icelands new 'data freedom' laws might be causing a few chills here and there

    wikileaks has direct support in the Icelandic parliament which has recently enacted new FOI/data protection/anonymity laws.

    IIRC, Sweden also has similar very explicit laws.
    ( then again the Pirate bay was hosted in Sverige :( )
     
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    do any of you guys really believe that the u.s. gov. would make a mistake like blowing the cover of a leaker?
    do you really, i mean really really, believe that the u.s. gov. would overtly try to hunt him & his colleagues down?
    or the u.s. gov. would silently & covertly hunt'em down and eliminate them (read here as "put a bullet in their heads")?
    i guess they'd go for the last one.

    here's a few examples of how u.s. deals w/ "problems" all round the world:

    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/US_Interventions_WBlumZ.html

    and "monthly reports":
    http://killinghope.org/#essays
     
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    So, are you arguing that Wikileaks is a US false-flag op?
     
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    that's possible.
    or,
    it's not a bunch of fearless, pro-democracy, talented hackers.
    it's clear that this is some kind of counter-intelligence. there're two probabilities:
    1- source of those leaks are foreign (out-of-u.s.) intelligence services. and the u.s. gov. simply don't wanna look powerless & desperate:
    1-a) so they create this never-lived&never-existed so-called "julian" myth.
    or
    1-b) so they chose to blame it all on a chosen victim who's a real person but has nothing to do w/ those leaks other than hacking a few sites in the past.

    2- those might be counter-intelligence of u.s. intelligence serivce who wants to control and mislead/misguide the info by spreading deliberate falsification, and therefor is trying to hide some other vital info.
     
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    How sinister you think the US government seems to be? The links you give are too often out of context or disingenuous....not to mention in the context of the cold war many of these "interventions" took place.....judging by your icon...I wouldn't be surprised.

    Unless you are a false flag yourself?? Sometimes these things aren't so deep at all! Most of the summary info on the docs are already known in International Relations...such as the sympathy for the Taliban and Al-Qaeda in the Pakistani Military, or the lack of supplies for our troops, or the complete lack of imagination in getting regional allies on board...like China...who mine copper there.....our blood, their resources.
     
  23. siberianwolf

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    well, that, i could laugh at.
    google for these topics and you'll see it for yourself. (try not to focus on the mainstream media only, but also on alternative media, too)
    btw, the below passage from an article is also valid for the u.s. and the uk, too.

    http://killinghope.org/bblum6/aer82.html

    verification:
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2010-05-31-german-president-resigns_N.htm
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10207180
    http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,5634608,00.html

    hmm, that reminds me of us invasion of iraq, afghanistan; abu gharib, guantanamo, and,....... damn, it's too much so i can't count.
    cheers

    p.s.: it's not just usa. many countries have some kinda same bad reputation, including germany, france, uk, italy, russia, netherlands, portugal, spain, belgium, and many more.

    p.p.s.: i'd like to recommend you to read a few books by Noam Chomsky.
    if you pay attention, you'll see that all the info and links (except for the two of the verification links) i've provided are based on articles and materials written by american citizens. not some un-americans.
     
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  24. Meriadoc

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    At any one time there are literally hundreds of court orders in the UK alone banning talk and publications about what can only be described as scandals. Information that people, corporations and governments want to keep a lid on and away from the general population. WikiLeaks:thumb: come round Julian I'll hide ya :D .
     
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    "p.s.: it's not just usa. many countries have some kinda same bad reputation, including germany, france, uk, italy, russia, netherlands, portugal, spain, belgium, and many more."

    People have bad reputations, not countries. I understand the criticism, and much of it is true but out of context and disingenuous.

    The question I always ask is, "compared to what??" We live in a world of approximations. It is difficult to find angels. The Western world's moral superiority comes out of its liberal base, freedom, and legal system, especially separation of powers. In IR, sure, we have done unpure actions.

    The friction, publicity, tongue wagging, and apparent gridlock, with leaks! are the sign of success, not a sign of failure. Too many neo-marxists seem to overlook this.

    Also, it is very convenient for you to complain about "economic interests." Maybe there is more to it? The world runs on resources yes, but I know what you are implying, and claiming that the links you cite would be like me doing a small link bomb about East and West Germany, or the common sense observation that maybe when you fight extremist Islamists, maybe one of the effects is on the economic wellbeing of the people in and outside the country?

    Do not talk to me about freedom, or against bad reputation when you have the Soviet flag as your icon...a symbol of good intentions that lead on the path to hell.
     
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