Wake up fellas!

Discussion in 'other anti-virus software' started by Franklin, May 26, 2007.

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  1. Franklin

    Franklin Registered Member

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    For crying out loud fellas!

    Haven't you people realized that your sap sucking AVs are useless against zero day attacks!

    Your browser run through Sandboxie in Powershadow mode is all just about all you need.

    And if you still feel naked then Defensewall will address any needs.
     
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  2. coolbluewater

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    Re: Waked up fellas!

    So when someone plugs in their infected USB flash drive from a different PC - what then?
     
  3. lodore

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    thats what the PDM in kis/kav is for
    lodore
     
  4. Diver

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    He has a point. A lot of experts are predicting the end of signature based AV protection.
     
  5. EASTER.2010

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    Just like the dot com fad of Silicon Valley, upstarts quickly became big league players and really raked it in untill the big bust. If i were the signature based players i would be gathering up all the intelligence and research i could to make a transition over to HIPS and behavioral blockers and such.
     
  6. Franklin

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    Re: Waked up fellas!

    PowerShadow mode - then you can jam your infection!
     
  7. Don Pelotas

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    Of course there will be changes, but probably more like a fusion of technologies, signatures will be around for quite a while and personally i like that combo better than putting all my eggs in one basket.....................like those who think sandboxie is the answer that will keep their defences unbreached.
     
  8. LoneWolf

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    A layered approach,that IMO is the best way to go.
     
  9. Perman

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    Hi, folks: Why do you need Sandboxie while using powershadow's shadow mode ? Would'nt PS's shadow mode give you sufficient protection at all ? And using DefenseWall on the top of these? IMO, adding a HIPS or behavior blocker is more appropriate.
     
  10. Pedro

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    I would ask why Powershadow. But then he'd answer "to revert changes".
    The AV is supposed to check my downloads, the ones i keep. SandboxIE is only good as i am: it allows me to keep only what i want, but then it's up to me and my habits to keep only safe items. And allows me to run whatever inside it.
    Anything inside the sandbox, pretty much yes :D

    Sure, in a few months someone will find something that breaks through, something real, not PoC.
    Then Tzuk patches it so it will never suffer from that.
    More months will follow. Some will still say it's easily broken. They just won't tell you how... How smart.
     
  11. trjam

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    Making a quick fan out of me using Sandboxie and Power Shadow together.:)
     
  12. Osaban

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    Re: Waked up fellas!

    Exactly. One thing is to sandbox something and reboot. But if you want to hold on to a file and keep it, you have to make sure it 's clean, and an AV is the only way to check. If one wants 100% security with sandbox technology, one should not save anything to disk: Reboot and wipe out the whole session.
     
  13. q1aqza

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    I was swaying to the similar approach of just using Sandboxie and powershadow but there is too often a need to scan a downloaded file that you need or wish to keep. That's why I am now completely happy using Sandboxie and/or Powershadow (haven't tried them together yet) along with Avira Free for the download scans which runs so light I barely notice it there.

    I also still run BOClean - although I do feel BOClean is pretty much redundant alongside these apps but I have it so I may as well still use it!
     
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    And another sees the light. You dont need all this after the fact software, if you keep your PC free to begin with. I do use Sandboxie and Power Shadow together and it works great. I have dumped SAS and still have Avira for an occasional scan.
     
  16. Mrkvonic

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    Hello,
    It comes down to a few very simple concepts - one being deny first, ask questions later.
    Mrk
     
  17. Huupi

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    With this simple concept : not every nasty asks for permission !!
     
  18. Mrkvonic

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    Hello,

    Really? So you don't go to a site that has an exploit right? The site goes to you, is that it? IE? All conscious choices. Don't use IE - default deny. Don't go to stupid sites - default deny. Got an email attachment? A viagra offer? Whatever? First doubt. Then try to see what next. Shoot first, explore later.

    Like Eli Wallach said: when you have to shoot, shoot, don't talk.

    Mrk
     
  19. Huupi

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    Sure you would, but is everybody that rigid all the time? We are just humans and every now and than make mistakes,thats all the reason why we have security to make up for our shortcomings,and even than we can misconfigure our handy app.All in all the existence off Wilders and friends is more than little evidence that we are just humans.
     
  20. C.S.J

    C.S.J Massive Poster

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    this forum is biased!
    Yawwnnnn

    i find this thread boring, as it should be changed to "an AV is all you need"

    as this is how its been in the past, and i feel its the same now.
     
  21. lodore

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    i agree with you Chris
    but AV+hardware firewall is best.
    but you got that anyways.
    lodore
     
  22. C.S.J

    C.S.J Massive Poster

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    this forum is biased!
    oh yeah, should have mentioned that.

    a nice router with firewall is priceless, then your av of our choice.

    it keeps the programs down, the prices down, the maintenance down and you are nicely secured :)
     
  23. lodore

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    yup thats why im gonna buy a linksys wag200g
    gets plenty of good reviews and is only £37:D
    lodore
     
  24. ErikAlbert

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    I don't need to be an expert to predict this, I'm predicting this since I'm a member at Wilders.
    This is normal and logical. You don't create security softwares based on stuff made by the bad guys and that's what scanners are. A very bad method and only good for losers. :)
     
  25. C.S.J

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    this forum is biased!
    well i think opposite,

    sure new technologys will arrive, but signatures will always be there :)
     
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