VoodooShield/Cyberlock

Discussion in 'other anti-malware software' started by CloneRanger, Dec 7, 2011.

  1. mekelek

    mekelek Registered Member

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    fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

    in this case if you're stupid enough to still allow something like while it's screaming malware, then "fool me once, shame on me"
     
  2. VoodooShield

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A

    ;)
     
  3. VoodooShield

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    BTW, guest, the softs you prefer, while they are great products, are not designed for average or novice users.

    What do you recommend for average or novice users?
     
  4. guest

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    i don't disagree at all, i even say : the computer should be locked all the time :D
    in fact the best method would be that the OS using a cloud method (see what im looking at?) would auto-block the user to install/run any unknown software (until marked as safe) instead of giving him the choice. But i guess if the OS vendor does it, it will suffer the hate of millions users :p

    indeed, if Mr Dumb is really want use the latest infected keygen, he will just click to allow it or un-quarantine it. There is nothing you can do.
     
  5. guest

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    Yours is the closest thing i could recommend for novice. It is why i keep spamming you to keep it simple and improve the already present features and not adding new ones. ;)
     
  6. VoodooShield

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    Hehehe, it seriously sounded like you were describing VS.

    People who play with keygens and fire, are going to get burned.
     
  7. VoodooShield

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    Hehehe, you crack me ;). Just imagine what we could all do together if we put our minds to it ;). BTW, thank you ;).
     
  8. mekelek

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    now that wouldn't even be viable to me while i don't consider myself a novice.
    i don't want to have my computer locked down, i want it to warn me if i'm about to do something dumb so i second guess my decision.

    hence i run multiple similar software, the more warnings, the more second guesses
    it's like when you go to multiple doctors to ask their professional opinion about something you heard from your first doctor, you might ignore all of them and keep living.
     
  9. guest

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    Imagine Virus Total embedded in Smartscreen :D
    Will never happen, vendors will cry "MS monopoly" :p

    i love the new block option of SS on Win10 CU.
     
  10. guest

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    You are welcome :) i'm not coder so i can only give you suggestions based on my view about security.
     
  11. VoodooShield

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    That would be cool, but we can do even better than that ;). It is 3:16 in the AM here in Kansas, so let's solve the malware crisis tomorrow ;).
     
  12. shmu26

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    +1
     
  13. WildByDesign

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    I absolutely agree that VoodooShield is the best when it comes to novice users for it's ease-of-use and also agree that keeping it simple is best and sticks with it's roots. :thumb:

    Now, regarding the quote above, we have to keep in mind that MS does have a significant amount of telemetry data (and growing) with regard to malware prevalence and relevance. It may not quite rival VirusTotal for total volume, but for malware prevalence and relevance MS has some solid insight these days.
     
  14. guest

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    I totally agree. People in our kind of forum focuses too much on 0-days, they almost ignore prevalent malwares which are the biggest portion of malware lurking around.
     
  15. Peter2150

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    Dan now you are getting to the heart of the matter. In this age of computing, novices have to learn fast. You can't drive a car until you demonstrate you have the skills. This is becoming true here. I totally side with guest on this one. I don't care about detection, my setup doesn't rely on it either. The problem with AI is the same problem I see with Voodoshield. Excellent at detecting malware, but horrible at detecting that high quality, but not big name software is horrible. If I followed voodooai's recommendation I wouldn't install half the software on my system, and it's good software.

    Also I do question the validity of saying a computer should be "locked" when at risk. My setup doesn't try to determine when it's at risk, it assumes that's true all the time, and the protection is in place all the time. Would it work for a novice so called. I don't know, I've been able to teach those who want to learn, and frankly if they don't want to learn I wish them luck, but I don't worry about it.
     
  16. shmu26

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    I have the same problem with my software. But the other half of the time, when VS gives me the green light, then I can just drive forward without worry. When VS tells me to stop and think about it, that's what I do. It's imperfect, but it's the best we got.
     
  17. guest

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    Indeed. they must learn fast complex stuff.

    Same here.
     
  18. Peter2150

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    But see the problem for me with that is if anything like VS says it's bad half the time and okay the other half, if one side is wrong, how do you really know the other is right. That's why I don't use that kind of an approach. If it's from a trusted vendor, and from his site, like for example Voodooshield, I don't give it a thought. But if I am not sure, then I test it under very guarded conditions and judge how it runs. That is where the learning comes in.
     
  19. Peter2150

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    The stupid part of it all is some the the critical lessons aren't complex. Beware of emails, don't open attachments, NEVER allow macros. etc. This stuff is simple but some folks never learn.
     
  20. shmu26

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    VS is not known to err on the side of leniency. It's like a very strict rabbi. If he says its kosher, it is.
     
  21. plat1098

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    Yes but this is a natural, bell curve-like situation. It's like a food-chain thing. Most people don't learn unless it hits them where they live. :)
     
  22. Esse

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    I am curious regarding if we, "the users" "teach" the Ai in any way with our input?
    The other day I was building my offline"Windows update" with WSUS.

    http://www.wsusoffline.net/

    Before running WSUS I forgot to disable VS, and immediately the pop-ups came with almost the highest possible Ai score possible.
    As I think this is a FP I did allow, I did this for a while, but got tired of answering the warnings, they just came one after the other soI disabled.
    Did my decision to Allow all these warnings get notice anywhere in the VS infrastructure that: "hey, we need to take a look att those files and trim the Ai a bit"?
    Or what happens when the user allow something?

    I fully understand that someone could allow bad files, but that is not what I am after here. (I guess that would be noticed if misused?)

    /E
     
  23. NormanF

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    Common sense is more important than security software, which helps you to make an informed decision about a potential threat.

    On its own, it can't keep a computer's OS and its data secure. Only people can do it.
     
  24. SIR****TMG

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    I agree with Peter2150 keep things locked down......
     
  25. VoodooShield

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    Thank you, I appreciate that! I agree, MS is getting very serious about the malware epidemic, and they are implementing some cool new technologies... it will be interesting ;).
     
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