Veeam endpoint backup free

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  1. Sherlock_Holmes

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  2. oliverjia

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    Veeam appears to be good. The only drawback is that you can not make a disk image or data backup from within the recovery media. The recovery media is only good for restore purposes.
    Since I only use boot media to perform backup/restore, Veeam is useless to me. However if you are into making disk imaging from within Windows, then Veeam is worth a shot.
     
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    Veeam makes very good enterprise level software for Virtual Machines. I dont see why this solution would be any different. I used it for a short test period. Only down side that I could find was there wasnt very many options when configuring/creating your backup.
     
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    I've been using it for a couple of days now and yes, it has some limitations I can easily live with as it does what it needs to do for me: an incremental volume backup every day (if needed, I can make manually start ad-hoc incrementals or full backups). The speed is quite good (much better than IFW and a bit worse than Macrium Free edition), both for incremental and full backups as well as bare metal restores. Note that VEB only creates incremental and no differental backups so after a few days, the incremental backups are faster than Macrium Free Differential backups. I haven't reached the stage yet where the restore points are going to be merged with the full backup. So, I have to wait a few more days to see how much time this merge is going to take. Up to now, VEB is running very well and the best of all....it's Free...:)
     
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    It got my attention because of the " Ransomware protection " feature .
    But on looking closer , it's only an option to eject the target drive on completion !

    And I can't see how a sane and sensible person would be doing system backups while connected to the internet anyway ,
    so I don't think many people will start using it for that feature.

    I guess a lot comes down to trust and confidence in your chosen backup software , but for me Macrium Reflect wins hands-down .

    I've used Aomei and EaseUS , but they don't give me the confidence that Macrium does ....
    .... utterly un-scientific and subjective , I know ! :)
     
  8. Peter2150

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    One key feature that any imaging app has to have. That is in the recovery partition does it list the partition names. Disk no's are useless, if you have more then one identical disk. Drive letters are equally useless as they can change in the RE. The only reliable way you can be sure of the disk is partition names. This assumes you've given the disks unique partition names. If they are all Local Disk your still lost.
     
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    As Pete has stated, drive "letters" can change easily in both the WinRE (Recovery environment) and the WinPE (pre-Installation environment)... the reason, it's based on discovery requests which are based on the timing of the response from the device to the requester. This is usually all over the place. BUT, Macrium Reflect, while running under the WinPE environment, takes a close look at the contents of the volumes it finds in the image to determine what the drive letter really is while running under the LIVE Windows system the volume came from. This is a HUGE difference from other imaging apps running under WinPE.

    As a result, Reflect offers the same drive letters that were used under the LIVE system regardless of the discovery order of the disks/volumes. It offers both the correct drive letters AND volume names used by the user... providing some serious piece of mind for the imaging user.
     
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    Never really considered myself to be insane but I am doing images without disconnecting from the net. o_O
     
  11. Peter2150

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    Same here
     
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    Yea, sometimes people go a little "cryptolocker crazy" over this stuff... SAFE NET has always worked for most of us.

    All the cryptolocker variants to date, except LOCKY, infect your system through email attachments opened by the user... if people haven't learned by now they probably never will. LOCKY tries to use an "ingenious" method by infecting a WORD file via its MACRO capability. It gives you an "email attachment" (recognize those words) that is full of jibberish and tells you that if it's full of jibberish to please turn on your WORD macro capability... which, when you do, it gets ya.

    How hard is it to protect yourself against such variants as these... methinks not very hard at all, and surely you don't need to extract yourself from the internet to insure backup integrity.
     
  13. Peter2150

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    It does however require, engaging the brain. But in the corporate environment it can be a bit tougher. If someone gets an email from their CEO, what they will do will depend on what he has encouraged. Some can be pretty dumb. I remember reading about a firm that said you couldn't send anything to legal until you opened everyting and inspected it. Pretty dumb.
     
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    OMW, I have 6 months of GFS backups like this. Always wondered ... so I have been insane for some time :doubt:
     
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    Hi Paul

    Since you indicated unsure, you can relax, your fine. I've never connected from the internet to do any backups.

    Pete
     
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    Pete, I assume that you meant to say "disconnected" rather than connected?
     
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    ppl are already lost on what is reasonably paranoid and what is insanely paranoid ;)
     
  18. Peter2150

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    Darn Keyboard:eek:
     
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    Yea, his "dis" KEY is broken... they're always in the wrong place.
     
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    I'm going to give this one a try,it certainly looks a professional outfit.
    The key plus point for me is the ability to recover to different hardware,vital in the case of a new system or hardware failure.As far as I'm aware no other free imaging app,apart from Aomei,offers this feature?
    As with other imagers on here a lot of store is placed with trusted apps,personally Macrium has never let me down in many years,but this is certainly worth a fair trial.
    The ability to create images from the rescue media would be useful,but isn't a deal breaker for me.
     
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    Unless you're a "snapshot" taker (frequent Incrementals) it should be of some concern.

    If your BOOT partition blows up (for whatever reason except storage failure), how do you get that important DATA, since your last image, off that disk prior to restoration?
     
  22. andyman35

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    I did say it wasn't an issue for me,for some it would be a big problem.
    I take backups after any important tasks and I duplicate important stuff after a very costly sudden disk failure years ago.
    An imaging app will need to be exceptional to move me away from Macrium permanently,but anything can happen.
     
  23. Peter2150

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    Actually Froggie, I was able to just that. Had a machine that the drive had failed, due to a bad spot where windows was located. I booted to the recovery environment CD, and was able to actually access the data with the File Explorer utility, and with that copy data off to a USB drive. Neat trick.
     
  24. manolito

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    How? Exactly like Peter said, boot the machine from any Live CD which can read NTFS and comes with a file explorer (Linux based is fine). The copy your data to an external drive.
    If you are concerned about Veeam's inability to perform backups from the rescue media, why did a never hear a similar concern about AX64 / Flashback? I believe this topic with AX64 was resolved when Isso added Explorer++ to the rescue media.

    Cheers
    manolito
     
  25. TheRollbackFrog

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    My concern for the inability of products to create FULL images following a System partition structural failure is not unique to Veeam... it applies to all that don't offer that capability. All FREE (and almost all PAID) imagers do offer at least the minimum capability of a FULL image from their Recovery Media, if needed. This is extremely important when trying to piece "Humpty" back together again.

    The idea of extracting simple DATA items from a blown System partition via Recovery Media (and various File Explorers) is a concept fairly easy to understand. The idea of trying to re-integrate REGISTRY hives and installed software/drivers is almost impossible using this same method.

    If an image of the wrecked partition is available after the restoration of a good system image, the tools/apps available to assist in this process are much richer. If the user takes monthly images of his system, the whole task of system recreation becomes even more difficult, should they wish to engage it at all. Sure, it sounds easy to say... "Just reload a good image and redo all the work you've done for the past month," but the process is difficult and time consuming, especially if you work with a very dynamic system.

    Agreed... DATA (Music, videos, Docs, Xls, etc.) are easy, Systems (and their structures) are not. If a user can live with just DATA that's a month old... the process is fairly easy. If that System configuration that blew up is important, standard Recovery Media "solutions" are not very helpful at all.

    Possibly, my view of "need" may be very different than most, YMMV. :)
     
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