traditional P2P vs P2P with BitTorrent protocol

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  1. eurekamind

    eurekamind Registered Member

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    Between the traditional P2P softwares (i.e. Limewire) and P2P with BitTorrent protocol (i.e. BitTorrent, BitComet, Azureus,uTorrent) which P2P technology is more useful in user's point of view.



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  2. dog

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    Definitely torrents ... much faster, less pure leeching as it's easy to restrict/delay sharing with those that don't share. The whole premise of the torrent technology is to foster sharing, spliting the load. The legitiment uses of torrents is greater than that of traditional P2P apps - Linux iso's, video podcasts ... (TV Rips).
     
  3. PaulBB

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    Depends what are you mean when you say ''useful''. Depends in which country do you live, i mean in country's like US the p2p stuff is a very ''dangerous' thing, if you live in Canada you are ok , etc... Then the content, if you are looking for rare stuff you should use traditional P2P, if you are a ''Britney Spears generation'' than go for BitTorrent, see p2p are very dificult to catalog, you must search & discover for yourself.
     
  4. dog

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    Aside from what may be illegal in some countries and legal in others and purely discussed as academics ... the ability to prevent others from knowing what is going on; apps like Azureus have the leg up. The ability to encrypt the contents of packets prevents others from snooping and the ability to funnel the traffic through the tor network masks who you are - you need both to remain anonymous. :ninja: Of course using available blocklists would be another must, whether it's incorperated into the app itself or as a seperate standalone app.
     
  5. WSFuser

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    id say bittorrent. besides teh reasons mentioned by dog, its just simply faster and efficient.
     
  6. sosaiso

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    I have read that standalone apps dont' actually work that well, [e.g. P2Guardian], because it would be a double filtering of the information and what not. I don't know how valid the claim is, but it does slow down downloads for me. Slightly. However, it prevents bad data as well. Built in blocklists are much more efficent in this, [having used one in Azerus], but not many clients have an easy way of going about this. [Bitcomet and Utorrent are both confusing to configure.]

    But I diverge. BitTorrent also has a unique community approach, where bad items eventually die off. Unlike Limewire and Kazaa where bad downloads can remain for months.

    As for encryption, I believe the three most toted all have encryption. Bitcomet, Azerus, and Utorrent.
     
  7. iceni60

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    i find them as useful as one another.

    btw, it's not illegal to download music from p2p, it's illegal to share (let people download from you) i'm 100% sure of that, i've heard it said lots of time. the most recent was from the lawyer in this podcast
    http://tllts.info/dl.php?episode=129

    EDIT there's a fairly new p2p which is totally deniable - you don't make a direct connection to the person you are downloading the file from, i think the connection is to the next closest person on the network, but i can't remember the name, and there's a small chance it's only for Linux but i doubt it.
     
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    this is it. i wouldn't use it because it uses java and it encrypts everything so not only will it likely slow down your computer, the connection will be slow too lol
    http://antsp2p.sourceforge.net/
     
  9. bigc73542

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    I don't want to get into a drawn out discussion but you need to do a bit more research on downloading music that is copyrighted. It is illegal if you share it or not. But to download is your choice.
     
  10. TairikuOkami

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    DC, Limeware and etc are good to share small files like documents, music, videos.
    Torrents are good for downloading big files like DVDs or anything with hundreds MB or GB.
    I do not understand, why Microsoft stopped Vista torrent, they would save so much bandwith.
     
  11. iceni60

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    i don't want to get into a discussion either, but i have heard countless laywers say the same thing. that's why i linked to a lawyer saying it again. i know it's 100% legal to use p2p to download music.

    i can only think you are confusing downloading and sharing, or i have misheard what's being said
     
  12. iceni60

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    i'll listen to the mp3 i linked too and upload the bit where he says it in abit. i haven't relistened to it since it was released so i'm not totally sure what he says.
     
  13. rdsu

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    Why not use both! ;)
     
  14. iceni60

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    i've listened from 74:20 to 8 minutes from the end and it's not mentioned there. i've got other stuff i want to listen to. if someone else wants to listen to it and find it go ahead. it's a very good podcast which explains all about software patents and how they're different to copyrights and trademarks.
     
  15. pojispear

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    bigc is right. but in the legal system, it's much easier to prosecute those that share thousands of files than those who download but do not share. it's like software pirates, their strategy is to prosecute the pirates because it's more efficient than prosecuting their customers.
     
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    Each country has it own copyright laws.

    I think people are getting things confused.

    In the UK we can download ANYTHING perfectly legally.

    Sharing copyrighted material which we do not have permission to redistribute is a crime in the UK.

    Useful info written by a UK Lawyer/Solictor:

    http://www.slyck.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=18760&highlight=copyright

    I use Emule because speed is not an issue for me and I like the diversity of stuff on the Edonkey network, its reliability and low number of fakes and junk (for the things I look for).
     
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  17. eurekamind

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    "useful" in the context of...

    what basic things we look for in any P2P software are:
    [1] SPEED
    [2] security & reliability
    [3] user friendly with lots of features (easy configuration, easy handling)
    [4] good GUI showing all the required information of currently downloading file
    [5] resume for break download
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    ... and more is good.
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    taking these into consideration which P2P technology is good?

    Currently I am using Limewire for P2P purpose. for small files like music,document,pictures it is good and I never had any problems with it. But when I go for any big file like movies it goes very slow and wont help.

    what i know about BitTorrent protocol is that it is developed mainly to ease out the load of costly servers. And as far as speed is concerned here (bittorrent)too it would be depend on the speed of your system and the seeders like the traditional P2P. So I am a little bit confused.

    could anybody explain in what grounds this BitTorrent is superior than the traditional one and how it is faster than the traditional one?


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  18. pojispear

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    wow that's very liberal :blink:
     
  19. sosaiso

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    For one thing, encryption.

    For another, slightly more security. Seeders die off if a product is bad. md5 hashchecks ensure that you're not getting bad data. If a torrent is 3weeks old and it's still got like 200 seeders, then you know this download shouldn't contain anything nasty.

    That's all I can think of really.
     
  20. eurekamind

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    thanks! susaiso for ur inputs.

    I think with these features bittorrent is much more reliable and somewhat secured.
    atleast you wont get bad files after hours of download.

    but I read that leechers (non-seeders/non-supportive downloaders) are also there with the bittorrent.

    Also you hv to maintain a download/upload ratio atleast near to 1:1 for further downloading because some trackers checks this ratio before it allow you to download. I think this requirement somethime becomes a hurdle in the case of some urgent downlods.

    anyway, I should give it a try one day.

    others are also welcome for their valuable inputs in this topic. thanks!


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  21. PaulBB

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    [1] Never you will get quality files if you are looking for speed; eDonkey network is a very good example, so you have to make a compromise - good files/slow download speeds.
    [2] Security ? People are hacking every day the best security systems so we can't talk about security in the filesharing world. If anyone want to be secure just unplug from internet and then is safe. :)
    [3]-[4]Cabos is a great Gnutella client with a lot of features and a very nice GUI, a great Limewire alternative; µTorrent is another nice and great program (bittorrent) ; Ares has a very friendly interface too but the network (ARES) is what i call ''Britney Spears Generation'' network, ex: if you are looking for a Audrey Hepburn movies in the Ares network you will never find it.
    [5] Today 95% of p2p programs has the resume download function.

    ---->>>Conclusion<<<----

    Install PeerGuardian first then Try and see for yourself:

    1. Ares
    2. Cabos
    3. The BiTtorrent network
    4. The eDonkey network (eMule & eDonkey Pro)
    5. KCeasy - multinetwork
    6. Shareaza - multinetwork
     
  22. sosaiso

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    It is true. There are leechers... But even if they leech, you can still get data from them, because every BT client forces an upload simultaneous with the download. They're just there to dl some files and then disconnect once their file is complete. Can't blame them, but can't like them either.

    As for the 1:1, that is just to maintain that the file would stay alive. If everyone leeched, then the file would probably die out every few days. I know of a few trackers that force people to seed until the 1:1, but sometimes they're more lenient and just keep it at a reasonable ratio like 0.5. It depends on the tracker really. I just open up my client and seed when I get the chance when it comes to files that I really like.
     
  23. eurekamind

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    Another (-)ve point that I came to know about BitTorrent is that it is made only for broadband or high bandwidth users.

    A 56k modem users gets more or less the same download speed (3kb-7kb/s) with BitTorrent too as what they get from the Traditional P2P like limewire. With this download speed a modem user surely can not download any big files (i.e.500mb, 700mb etc) through BitTorrent too, what it is popular for.

    For them it is of no difference than the traditional P2P.

    Has BitTorrent any special settings for modem users so that they too can get the benefit of big files downloading?

    Or any other rescue for modem users regarding downloading of BIG files?


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