Top web browsers 2019: Firefox scores second straight month of share growth

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  1. bellgamin

    bellgamin Very Frequent Poster

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    I have used FF since it was Phoenix, then became Firebird, then became Firefox. I love the philosphy of its proponents, that's why. Same goes for Tor.
     
  2. Circuit

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    Waterfox all the way.
    Edge with their new Microsoft REAL NEWS censorship, wow .
    Chrome= google spyware.
     
  3. guest

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    same here, but that is mostly a matter of opinion. some like minimalism, others like tons of features and fancy effects.
    yes sure since Quantum, if not i wouldn't use it again on Kubuntu.
     
  4. vasa1

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    What one sees sometimes is what one chooses to see.
    Very few things are what they used to be.

    I could cite several changes to Google Chrome's UI in recent months that haven't gone down well with some users. If you don't mind NSFW language, visit https://www.reddit.com/r/chrome/. summerheat has already covered changes being discussed that could affect the functionality of several extensions.

    So "it is no more what it used to be" applies to more than just Firefox.
     
  5. guest

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    No offense, but personally i don't care one second about the UI, i'm past the pre-puberty stage arguing about color scheme or round vs square tabs...my concern is security.
    If an app is exceptional in term of security, i won't mind the most ugly GUI ever. For example: AppGuard (winXP style GUI) or NVT Smart Object Blocker (almost GUI-less).

    As you said all tastes are in the wild, what fit one won't fit the others ;)
     
  6. vasa1

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    No offense taken. I was just trying to understand the comments and to react to them.

    I too don't worry about the shape of tabs, but colors and font sizes are accessibility issues. If one is fortunate to be unaffected by accessibility issues that's very nice but it doesn't mean others aren't, whether they are prepubescent or elderly.
     
  7. guest

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    I agree.
     
  8. Minimalist

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    I find it quite opposite. With Chrome I have to remove a bunch of built in apps. Also built-in Flash and Software Reporter Tool doesn't make it less bloated IMO.
     
  9. summerheat

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    I agree. I would also be interested to see where FF is more bloated than Chrome.
     
  10. summerheat

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    Even on Windows (where the Chrome sandbox might be tighter, indeed) one should take into consideration that those parts in FF which are written in Rust are inherently more secure. So again, what is really "better" below the line in terms of security is probably hard to tell. The more so if you run the browser with, e.g., uBO in default deny mode (which might no longer be available in Chrome with manifest v3) the practical difference is surely miniscule.
     
  11. guest

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    I wont consider extensions in a browser comparison. Like everything, you compare out-of-the box, using flags is ok, since they are built-in but just inaccessible for beginners.
    If uBO is built-in FF then, it would be another discussion ^^
     
  12. Trooper

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    Still using Chrome as my primary browser. Main reason is for security. Do not like the spying part of it however.
     
  13. Firecat

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    Firefox needs a design refresh IMHO, the core can still go with the best and it's as fast as Chrome if not faster. The main problem is that most average users do not see anything different in Firefox, they feel it has feature and functional parity with Chrome. That being said, the WebKit dominance on the web is not helping Firefox now.

    It's still my go-to browser, and the one I use outside of work (because, surprise, the IT admin has put google chrome on all the work PCs). The other browser I use is Maxthon, but to be honest, I can't tell between the two if I have urgent work and either one is open, because they all get the job done....could use either and still have my day go well! :)
     
  14. guest

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    That the whole point of my argumentation, and many failed to see it. Average Joe can't tell the difference while Chrome is everywhere, FF is bound to lose when in the past it was the Average Joe's browser of choice and Chrome the geek one... Now roles are inverted.
     
  15. summerheat

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    You noticed that I was NOT only mentioning uBO? ;)

    Anyway, everybody has to answer such questions for him/herself. From my point of view, the theoretical advantage of Chrome is not very relevant when combined with other security-enforcing measures.
     
  16. guest

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    yes i noticed.
    From the few lines i read (i admit i didn't feel much concerned to read all), the manifest won't change much for me.

    I use sandboxes on all windows systems i have, ReHIPS on one, Sandboxie on another, and indeed for me, it isn't big deal, i just like the software i use be as secure as possible.
    on the other hand when i setup family/friends computers, Chrome is what i select (with AppContainer flag) for them.

    Quantum is indeed a big leap in security for FF , jump from mediocre to decent. Just hope FF devs will be more innovative, for now i don't have any reason to use it on Windows over Chrome.
     
  17. Beyonder

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    Same here. I got sick of 50% of my addons breaking every Firefox update. They were slow with sandboxing, too.

    Now I'm almost considering swapping back to Firefox though.
     
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    What I want for Firefox is it to be less resource hog. Couldn't care less about design as long as its usable.
     
  19. bo elam

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    I saw someone yesterday at another forum say that his Firefox consumes over 1 GB of RAM. I dont know if many people are constantly experiencing that but I certainly don't.

    Most of the time, my Firefox is consuming about 200/300MB. It cold starts at about 95MB, and hardly ever goes over 500MB. My formula for achieving low consumption of resources by Firefox is to use the 32bits version of the browser, disable Multiprocess and use NoScript. Its simple and it works very well with great results.

    I read this thread, some claim that its hard to tell the difference between Firefox and Chrome, I say that not so. You can personalize your Firefox to look and function exactly as you wish via about:config, policies.json file or userChrome.css file. Via the options we have available, my Firefox looks and functions almost identical to how it did......5 years ago (the way I want it).

    I have tabs on the bottom, bookmarks as a sidebar, no sandboxing done by the browser and the Menu bar. I dont even miss the great Classic theme restorer extension anymore. Mozilla is making it harder for users to make Firefox as they wish but the options are still available to get that done.

    After updating to Firefox 65, the old code for tabs on the bottom was obsolete in the new version but I found new code that works. Also, a black line/stripe appeared on the tab thats in use (to me that is annoying), so I looked for code to get rid of it, and found it. Another annoying change they made in Firefox 65, is the blue bar that appears when searching using the URL bar. Again, looked for code to get rid of it, and found it. Its not nice that Mozilla dont make it easy to make this type of changes and we have to spend time searching on how to fix their improvments but at leat we can change what we want to change. I didnt update the day Firefox 65 came out, I did it a couple of days later. Luckily, I had tested Firefox 65 in a sandbox before doing it for real, so I had all changes that had to be done to make Firefox my way figured out before doing the update for real.

    Anyway, to this day, I have never had Chrome installed in my real system in any of my computers (not even getting installed by error when installing something else), and never will. The reason for that doesnt have to do with privacy or security but function. I cant use a browser that dont open bookmarks as a sidebar. To me, its very uncomfortable to open bookmarks in any other way that's not via sidebar. Tabs on the bottom, is my preferred way, but I could get used to them on top, and learn to live with them that way but no way I live without the sidebar. And the main reason for using Firefox is, NoScript. No NoScript, no Chrome.

    Bo
     
  20. Krusty

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    Hi Bo,

    With three tabs open. I'm not in the slightest worried as this machine has 16 GB RAM. I have changed the "Content Process Limit" to 7 on this machine.

    FF RAM Usage.PNG
     
  21. bo elam

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    To me, that's a lot. Look at mine after cold starting Firefox and opening 3 tabs here at Wilder's.

    Sin título.jpg

    Check your CPU usage, mine is 0/1%, yours is up to 41%. Huge difference

    Bo
     
  22. Azure Phoenix

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    @bo elam

    Wouldn't a simple extension to put bookmark as a sidebar in Chrome fix your issue?
     
  23. Krusty

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    You may notice though, that is NOT FF using the CPU - unrelated.
     
  24. bo elam

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    Your Firefox is using some of it, I would say a lot of it, while mine is using 0%. That .8% your shows, means something. I dont know what it exactly means, but mine is 0.

    Bo
     
  25. Krusty

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    .8 % and a total of 41 % though, Bo. My machine had other things to do at the time. Anyway, you're free to use you machine the way you like. I don't mind my machine using its resources. Waste of having them if they aren't used.

    End of discussion from me.

    Have a great day!
     
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