Top VPNs secretly owned by Chinese firms

Discussion in 'privacy technology' started by Minimalist, Jul 3, 2019.

  1. Minimalist

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    Not too surprising sadly.
    I do wonder if this sort of thing could undermine the public perception of VPNS.
     
  3. longshots

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    At first read this is just a beat up.
    Didn't see any "Tier 1" providers listed.
    ~OT comment removed~ Chinese owned does not mean that there are 17 people assigned to watch everything you do.
     
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    Huh.

    So I don't see any of my favorites there. And not many that I even recognize.

    IPVanish and StrongVPN, owned by US company j2 Global
    Hotspot Shield, owned by US company AnchorFree
    PureVPN and Ivacy, owned by Pakistani company Gaditek
    Anonine and FrootVPN, owned by Seychelles company Edelino Commerce Inc
    HideMyAss, owned by Czech company Avast
    CyberGhost and ZenMate, owned by Isle of Man company Kape Technologies

    So for the most part, I gotta say "meh" ;)
     
  6. mirimir

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    Oops. No longer "meh" :(

    Kape just bought PIA :(

    I guess that means no longer recommending them.
     
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    Kape turns privacy crusader with purchase of VPN provider PIA
    November 19, 2019
    https://www.proactiveinvestors.co.u...with-purchase-of-vpn-provider-pia-907357.html
     
  8. mirimir

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    I've heard that PIA was hugely in debt. So I'm not sure how the acquisition will boost Kape's income.

    Unless they increase prices, I guess. And PIA was amazingly inexpensive.

    I doubt that I'll ever use PIA again. And I'll definitely not recommend them.

    Because they're dead, gone, no longer of this world, ...

    There's just Kape, which bought the corpse.
     
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    moses, smell the roses. $95.5m acquisition. what once was a niche market became a multi million dollar industry.
     
  10. deBoetie

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    Isn't there an argument - presuming you're in a 5 to 21-eye country - for actively wanting at least 1 VPN connection in an ownership jurisdiction that is not cooperative with your own country's government? On the basis that your own country has the ability to easily lock you up based on false positives (if they can routinely monitor your VPN), since even if you've done nothing wrong, you have something to fear. A VPN in the 5 to 21 eyes will likely welch on you or be compelled to. Likewise on that basis, the Chinese government doesn't have the power to lock you up, nor is it (normally) going to have much interest in your doings. Correspondingly, a Chinese person - if they manage the firewall, would be better off with a VPN with a jurisdiction in the 5+ eyes.
     
  11. mirimir

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    I agree. It makes sense. But arguably in the middle of your VPN chain.

    There's also the issue that CyberGhost (owned by Kape) did at one point install TLS certs to MitM HTTPS. For ad injection, as I recall.

    But if one just didn't use their custom OpenVPN client, just their PKI credentials with a stock client, that wouldn't happen.
     
  12. mirimir

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    I had it wrong. Kape is a UK firm, with connections to Israeli intelligence.

    So that's not something that you want anywhere.
     
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