The bankers' blockade of WikiLeaks must end

Discussion in 'privacy general' started by Daveski17, Oct 24, 2011.

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  1. Daveski17

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    "If they are allowed to cut off payment to lawful organisations with whom they disagree, the US's first amendment, the European convention on human rights' article 10, and all other legal free speech protections become irrelevant."

    ~ The Guardian
     
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    Free speech, lol. You've got to love armchair advocates and lawyers. Free speech not only does not mean lifting government documents and posting them online for the world to see, it is also not absolute. It is a right subject to limitations. Wikileaks was not "speaking" when they posted most of what they did. Saying you can't stand your current government is your right to free speech, stealing their cables, memos and intel reports, along with other things, and putting them up on P2P networks is not free speech now, and it never will be. When you don't understand what your rights actually are, and don't know their limitations, you can't fight for them when they start getting taken away.
     
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    Remember, it is from The Guardian. ;)
     
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    Lol, I wouldn't care if the President or the Queen was saying this stuff, my point is still the same. It's great to care about these things, and worth it to fight for every right that we can. But, you've got to know about the fight in order to effectively fight.
     
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    I think it is this banker's blockade which is perceived as peculiarly sinister. Banker's, of course, not being particularly popular either side of the Atlantic at the moment. The Bilderbergers aren't doing themselves any favours by being so secretive, & of course, David Icke would blame it all on the Reptoids!
     
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    Heh, you're probably well informed enough that, like me, you know what the Bilderberg group actually is. Anyway, I'm not so naive that I don't see the blockade as something not cooked up by the governments. Of course it is, it's retaliation. The issue here is that it is in no way, shape or form related to or relevant in the argument of free speech, for reasons I've already stated. That's my problem with the article. I couldn't care less that the bankers are blockading them right now, actually. Why? Because I see the same thing going on with WikiLeaks that has happened to Anonymous. What once was an outlet for people to show the world the various misdeeds and atrocities being done in many countries around the world, became an agenda-driven, attention seeking mess.
     
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    It wouldn't surprise me one bit in both examples if this is also the result of infiltration by business or government for the sole purpose of driving away support. Pose as a member and do the most idiotic things possible in order to discredit the organization or group. Standard operating procedure.
     
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    i'm against wikileaks it compromize a Full nation security

    did anyone see southpark episode about wikileaks o_O

    i think everyone will change thier minds when they get hacked :mad:
     
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    I can see that, but just accurately defining free speech isn't so easy these days.

    Well, agitprop can be both negative & positive I suppose.
     
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    Point of clarity ;) WikiLeaks didn't actually steal Anything, they published info etc that others had uploaded to them.

    Bilderbuggers/Banksters etc = :thumbd:
     
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    True, Clone. Assange himself didn't steal the data, but Wikileaks did publish it, with the knowledge of the damage that could be caused (and I'm not just talking about embarrassing politicians, I mean real damage). And, it was stolen data. If you and I accepted something stolen, knowing it was stolen, we'd be jailed. It should not be any different simply because you're claiming "free speech" or hiding under the "whistle blower" blanket".
     
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    Not something that is generally thought of, but it's well within the realm of possibility, as it has happened a lot more than most would care to know about. Good point to bring up, who knows what we'll find out a few years down the road.
     
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    Banks/FED are private. They can restrict whatever they want within their own domain.

    Anyways, abolish the FED vote Ron Paul etc etc
     
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    LMAO :D
     
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    Who's Ron Paul?
     
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    here you go ...;)
     
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    OK thanks. We have 'politicians' like that in my country as well. You'd think these bloody neo-libertarians would have read some John Stuart Mill by now LOL!

    This 'Tea Party' sounds fun though, my favourite tea is lapsang souchong served without milk & with honey. Well, you know what the English are like about tea drinking. ;)
     
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    That's to be expected, being unfairly blocked and sued by liars.
     
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    Ahh, the Tea Party. Played the patriotic card to get people behind them, turned into the same old political party as the rest. Politics never change, just the faces on the TV screen.
     
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    Yes, we have two main political parties in the UK: One is an extreme right-wing party & the other is an extreme right-wing party.
     
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    Since this thread has turned into a political discussion, as per Policy, we'll have to end it here. Thanks to all.
     
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