TDS4 suggestions

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  1. Andreas1

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    side note:
    I only hope that TDS-4 will keep the console/commandline, or at least something like it. While it may be *the* element that looks most "technical", imo something like this is essential for scripting and using tds's ss3 commands...
    sorry for being slightly off-topic, i just wanted to say this in time...
    CU,
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  2. Wayne - DiamondCS

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    Re:Wormguard 4 Suggestions

    Andreas, yep - TDS4 Professional is essentially TDS3 Pro but with many updates. It's TDS4 Scanner and TDS4 Active that are significantly different, but all three use the same engine - RADIUS4
     
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    Re:Wormguard 4 Suggestions

    Wayne, Glad to here it is all coming along nicely :)

    BTW Assuming we are using radius1 at the moment - What happened to radius 2 & 3 :rolleyes::p
     
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    Re:Wormguard 4 Suggestions

    Loading Radius Advanced Scanning Systems ... <R3 Engine, DCS Labs>
    Alan, look in your TDS screen after initializing!
     
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    Re:Wormguard 4 Suggestions

    Jooske, I was being sarcastic as the radius file downloads are just called radius.td3 ;)
     
  6. wizardavc

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    Re:Wormguard 4 Suggestions

    Why not just have a TDS4 Professional and a TDS4 Basic with those names? I'd think that would be a lot simpler and also easier for DiamondCS because it is one less product to provide support for. There should definitely be two versions of TDS4 but I don't see a need for a third product. There should have a fully featured TDS4 Professional and a very easy to use and simplified TDS4 Basic.
     
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    Re:Wormguard 4 Suggestions

    Wait and see what they do, they are quite different products with very different functions, not necessary to run all three at all time, saving on resources.

    Let's see if there will be a WG4 pro and a WG4 something additional too, now we're talking in the WG forum.
     
  8. Jason_DiamondCS

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    Re:Wormguard 4 Suggestions

    No I don't think there will be 2 versions of WormGuard 4. I'm just packing features into one :)

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  9. Wayne - DiamondCS

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    Re:Wormguard 4 Suggestions

    Wizard,
    Sure, we could just make two programs, but then you'll have less choice... why would you want that? :)

    TDS4 Pro is very similar to TDS3 Pro. TDS4 Scanner is an on-demand scanner. TDS4 Active is a resident anti-trojan system that proactively scans and keeps your system free from trojans. It also scans files as they are executed using our new execution interception driver.

    So as you can see, all three programs are very different, and allows the customer to make a choice as to what style of anti-trojan system they want. For example, if they don't need the advanced extra tools of TDS4 Pro, they may be more happier with TDS4 Scanner. If they just want a set-and-forget anti-trojan system to keep their system clean and automatically prevent infection, then TDS4 Active is the solution there.

    Cheers,
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  10. wizardavc

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    I still disagree with TDS4 Scanner and TDS4 Active being seperate. You can combine TDS4 Scanner and Active and still have it basically be a set-and-forget anti-trojan system but with the ability to scan. The people who will use TDS4 Active by itself is so small it is ridiculous to make a seperate product just for them. More customers will download TDS4 Active that it isn't right for then the very few people who will download it and ONLY need Active. Keep things simple, have a Pro and a Basic version.
     
  11. Wayne - DiamondCS

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    Re:Wormguard 4 Suggestions

    TDS4 Active is similar in behaviour to BOClean in that it doesn't have manual scanning capability, but I think the main complaint with BOClean not offering a scanner is not that there's no scanner with BOClean, but that they don't provide a seperate scanner either. TDS4 Active and TDS4 Scanner essentially combine to fill this gap, and both programs can be used like one. However, a lot of people don't have a need for an on-demand scanner, and likewise, a lot of people don't have a need for a resident scanner. Regardless of your needs, there's a TDS4 solution for you.

    Two programs will provide less flexibility/functionality/options, so there is just no advantage to providing two instead of three. We will not disadvantage our customers by giving them less options. We'd make four programs if we thought it were suitable, but these three should cover every individual need.

    By providing three programs, people can choose exactly the right solution for them. Resident and on-demand are two very different approaches to detecting trojans. Some people don't want resident systems constantly scanning their system - they just want to be able to manually scan every now and then. In this case, TDS4 Scanner is perfect for them. Some people don't want/need to manual scan, and only want a 'set-and-forget' system, where the software does all the work and they never have to worry about trojans. In this case, TDS4 Active is perfect for them. If they want both, that's not a problem either - both function perfectly side-by-side, giving you the best of both worlds (on-demand and resident), so in that case the two programs nearly function as one.

    That's the beauty of multiple programs - you can choose exactly what you want, leaving the rest behind, knowing that you've chosen the right anti-trojan system for _your_ individual needs. Sure we could make just a basic and a pro package, but in doing so we'd be taking away a lot of options and flexibility that the three programs can offer that they wouldn't be able to if they were just two.

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  12. Andreas1

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    Re:TDS 4 Suggestions

    ...i am hesitating to post another tds-4 reply since this is the wormguard forum...
    anyway, to second Wayne's suggestion that there *are* ppl who'd need TDS-4 active without any scanner, i'd like to bring my universtity's pc's as an example: PCs centrally bought and administered (cloned W2k Workstations) outfitted with a local virus scanner. I would imagine that if the university planned to implement trojan scanning, they would be pleased to be able to go with a resident protection on the clients and active (manual or scheduled) scanning initiated centrally...
    I suppose that how complicated the distribution modules make an impression depends probably on the website explaining what the modules are and offering several combinations of them.

    CU,
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    Andreas, i modified the title of your posting after the split and move to the proper place here, so hope you feel better now! :)
     
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    no no no lol no cheesing it we want clean clear easy to use interface and cool looking someting 2003 looking.
     
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    But Blazey, Jazzie ever long ago posted a little script to change the TDS GUI with other colors, background and text lines, but don't ask me how, as i can't find that script back.
    Using your windows settings at least you can color all frames on your system to your liking, even if you want them black with white characters, neon colors, cheesey colors, whatever.
    You can even add a little script to read it all for you aloud!
    (It's a function in your msagents to read the clipboard or a text file you indicate).

    Moving over to your scripting problem thread now and see if you solved that now.
     
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    will i was hopeing for new interface i think tds deserves it since 4.0 promises to be so much more and i belive it will shouldnt it looks as good as it works to?

    It like you guys stuck a fully stocked lamburginie engine from a raceing series into a voltswagon bettle.

    i know that tds 4 supose to come out with lots more trust me you want difrent interface
     
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    Re:Wormguard 4 Suggestions

     
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    WizardAVC, I disagree. To the degree that people have expressed any reservation on the current "have-it-all" arrangement for TDS, a very sizeable portion of the dissenters have expressed that their own need is merely for an on-access scanner. The common justification for this is

    1. They are confused by all the other gadgets (I think you are in agreement that this is a viable viewpoint)

    2. That as long as the on-access scanner finds nothing, they feel no need to rescan again.

    I personally, do not agree with that (I am in the "have-it-all" camp :) ) and obviously you don't agree with that but the simple fact is a good portion of the "don't-want-it-all" camp do not want an on-demand-scanner either. :D

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    It's so funny:
    long ago TDS was a "have it all" included one product, and in some version it was even possible to choose your level, and there was asked for more inclusions and others to exclude some functions they never used and others other uses for functions etc, so there was decided to have several modules apart which can be used as stand alone products as well.
    So we get a larger resident protection and an on demand simple scanner, supposing the deep testing part will stay in TDS-4 Pro, etc.
    If you see what people add in functionallity with the scripting, you'll see lots of very individual uses and wishes.
    With PE and WG beside it and not to forget the AutostartViewer and the APM you've quite a protection suite and all as light in resources as possible.
    So now we want it working from DOS /cmd.
     
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    :rolleyes: Personally, I feel they are wrong as well but you are missing the point. We can (and have) tried to educate them on this matter but some people just won't listen to any sustained argument on this. They cherish their established mindset and won't consider the alternatives. All they see before them is a number of options (in Products/Vendors) and choose what *they feel* best suits their needs. I've no doubt whatsoever that DCS will make clear in the product details what the respective limitations of each product version has and where to go to supplement those features. (especially, as it all leads back to DCS :) )

    I agree wholeheartedly with your initial point that DCS needs to build the "approachability" of their Product to the consumer and obviously this is something they have deliberated on for some time as their long-laid plans take this fully into account. The two-way split of the product you advocate is to make the product more approachable to may of the less techie-oriented section of the prospective buyers even though the present all-in-one arrangment is perfectly sufficient for this (as long as you squint one eye to ignore many of the options/plugins/etc. But, and here is the crux of the matter, the posed three-way split merely does the same, there is no more a *Technical* reason for the two-way-split as there is for the three-way-split. It is merely make the product seem more approachable as well as to drive down the cost for much of the pool of prospective buyers.
     
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    In TDS is in the registered version the exec protection checking any executable before allowing it to run, it is able to detect code of sleeping trojans and worms and lots more, so....... just scan regularly and update daily.
     
  23. Andreas1

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    Thanks a lot, Jooske.
    Actually now I have a little Wormguard-4 suggestion:
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    ...
    just kidding :rolleyes:

    CU,
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    See you in the WG suggestion area then :)
     
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    Hi WizardAVC,
    it is a more likely situation that someone would forget to manually scan a file than to disable a resident scanner and forget about it. There obviously is a need for only resident scanners as can be seen by BOClean. Any confusion with multiple options will be resolved through a clear and easy to understand website that will point the users (advanced/basic/etc) to the relevant options they need.

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